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This is the full tape of the infamous "**** the EU" conversation, wherein US operatives planned the Madan Coup that overthrew Ukraine's democracy and installed a puppet government in order to use it as a proxy against Russia.

Notice that US operatives chose which of its assets in Ukraine would lead the government, and which would sit it out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y

Top Singaporean diplomat argues that EU should consider leaving NATO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh1zmDi0qN0

Want to correct human corruption yet? Rhetorical question by the way. I already understand what you protect until extinction arrives. Reasonable doubt.

Time to quit bitchin' and stop the war...stop the killing on both sides


There's only two sides....

1. leaders who aren't dying

2. the people who are dying by the hundred thousands

Shoot the leaders and it all stops.......

So which side are you on...

the leaders or the people's?

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 5:52 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 5:52 am

Time to quit bitchin' and stop the war...stop the killing on both sides


There's only two sides....

1. leaders who aren't dying

2. the people who are dying by the hundred thousands

Shoot the leaders and it all stops.......

So which side are you on...

the leaders or the people's?

Chain of command works two ways, what are they? Inside out and outside in promising better days tomorrow limited to only adapting to the moment this rotation each time the planet rotates so far and still alive conceived to decomposed.

What social exercise works inside out all others support outside in? economic outcomes defended by academia, arts, politics, religions, ancestral generations, social consensus of we the people believe life must become more than it ever was daily alive now.

"The world is but a stage" is the creed of Thespians while Freemasons build monuments about ancestors keeping every generation faithful to the faith now isn't eternity.

Free will, power of choice, promise of better tomorrows with 6 degrees of separation 7 days a week 52 weeks a year every gender must pick a side to save humanity or else faces ridicule, shunning, exile, executed for non compliance by family, friends, group think ancestrally practiced until extinction event occurs.

What creates extinction naturally or self inflicted as a species? no more conceived great great grandchildren again.

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2025, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 9:16 pm

This is the full tape of the infamous "**** the EU" conversation, wherein US operatives planned the Madan Coup that overthrew Ukraine's democracy and installed a puppet government in order to use it as a proxy against Russia.

Notice that US operatives chose which of its assets in Ukraine would lead the government, and which would sit it out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y

So what you're saying is that Biden's entire CORRUPTOCRAT administration was ALL ABOUT MORE WAR!!

See, this is easy.

*Beekeeper » 10 Mar 2025, 6:31 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 6:31 am

So what you're saying is that Biden's entire CORRUPTOCRAT administration was ALL ABOUT MORE WAR!!

See, this is easy.

It's from 2014 - Obama admin. The plan was to provoke Russia, by overthrowing their friendly neighbor's government and planting a coup government that was anti-Russian - all while ramping up the rhetoric that NATO membership (and a weaponized 1400 mile border) was on the table. This would constitute an existential threat to Russia - much as the Cuban Missile Crisis constituted an existential threat to the United States. Bear in mind, Cuba did not share a 1400 mile border with the U.S. 

The Kennedy response was predictable - an immediate military response. Russia immediately rolled into Crimea, to protect its Black Sea naval base from the unfriendly and illegal coup government planted by Nuland and the American Ambassador to Ukraine. This is history - not opinion. Any adult can listen to the tape and verify. 

Trump continued the provocations. Again, facts: He armed Zelenski with offensive weapons and brutally sanctioned Russia. He dismissed Russia's existential concerns and ratcheted up tensions, continuing to increase sanctions and provide increasing arms to Ukraine's illegal government. Ukraine's Constitution expressly prohibits joining any military alliance. Ukraine's perpetual neutrality was the guarantor of peace between Russia and Western Europe, as both powers guaranteed Ukraine's borders. Ukraine's neutrality was a critical aspect of Europe's AND Russia's security architecture. The overthrow of that government was a provocation intended to push Russia into a proxy war. It was also against the interests of the EU - hence Nuland's infamous "**** the EU" line. Obama's state department understood it was destroying a lynchpin of Europe's security architecture, to provoke Russia into a war that it believed would break the country, leaving it vulnerable to western companies' exploitation (Think, 1990s, pre-Putin).

NOW - Russia having prevailed and overcome NATO's weaponry and sanctions and espionage, - Trump is forced by circumstance to respect Russia's sovereignty and security concerns. Zelenski and Ukraine are an embarrassment - a failed proxy. As Trump points out, Ukraine has no cards. Putin holds all the cards between Russia and Ukraine - ALL the cards. And any cards that Trump holds - many that we know of and likely more that we do not - will be played based on AMERICA'S interests, not Ukraine's. So they're ****. They're Kurds. They were hapless proxies, and now they're just the stink of failure. 

Most of what filters down to the public originates in "think tanks," which are paid by corporations like Blackrock to create narratives for public consumption. These think tanks have no other product than narratives. These narratives are filtered down through the media, and each "side" of the political spectrum has favored media that promulgate narratives originating in think tanks. On the right, CATO and Heritage are two of the most prominent think tanks. Most conjobs view these organizations as credible sources. And that is rather stupid, since their only product - their only reason to exist - is the creation of narratives to sway public opinion. They are LITERALLY PAID to come up with every word they utter, and the message is tailored NOT to the truth or even to any ideology, but to the needs of the client. You need me to sell war? Pay me. You need me to sell peace? Pay me. You need me to sell socialized medicine to "conservatives"? Pay me - PRESTO! Medicare Part D. You need me to sell big government police state tactics to both left and right? Pay me - PRESTO! Patriot Act. Giving up rights is patriotic. 

Repeat narratives, or think for yourself. Man or mouse. Choose. 

 
 

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 5:52 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 5:52 am

Time to quit bitchin' and stop the war...stop the killing on both sides

There's only two sides....

1. leaders who aren't dying

2. the people who are dying by the hundred thousands

Shoot the leaders and it all stops.......

So which side are you on...

the leaders or the people's?

Your thesis is false. There are more than two sides. 

There are leftist trannies who want immediate peace. I don't think you are in their camp. But they have a camp. There are leftist trannies who want to continue the war perpetually. You're not in THEIR camp, either.

There are right wingers who want to keep the war going. You're not in their camp. There are centrists like myself who want the war to end - and you're not in my camp, either. 

This thread is not ABOUT whether we should end or continue the war, so, your oversimplification is a deflection. It is not agreement or disagreement, but a sneaky deflection intended to DUCK the issue, not comment on it. 

Stopping the war without addressing the root causes is not stopping it at all - just pausing it. You are clearly for PAUSING the war. 
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Mar 2025, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 9:34 am

I am on the side of peace, obviously. But your thesis is false. There are more than two sides. 

There are leftist trannies who want peace between Ukraine and Russia. I don't think you are in their camp. But they have a camp. There are leftist trannies who want to continue the war perpetually. You're not in THEIR camp, either.

There are right wingers who want to keep the war going. You're not in their camp. There are centrists like myself who want the war to end - and you're not in my camp, either. 

This thread is not ABOUT whether we should end or continue the war, so, your oversimplification is a deflection. It is not agreement or disagreement, but a nutless deflection. 

Stopping the war without addressing the root causes is not stopping it at all - just pausing it. You are clearly for PAUSING the war.

Sure Karen...

Spew your spew.....you're a war monger now? 

You support killing 100,000's of men, women and children?....just as long as you get what you want?....it's fine right?

Tell me how stopping the war and stopping killing people is a bad idea....can't wait for that


I AM Karen...Bringer of war and death...as long as it's not mine

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 9:40 am

Cannonpointer » 10 Mar 2025, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 9:34 am

I am on the side of peace, obviously. ... There are centrists like myself who want the war to end...

Sure Karen...

Spew your spew.....you're a war monger now? 

You support killing 100,000's of men, women and children?...

Like I said, coward. You're not here to address the issue of the thread, but to distract from it.

If you have a manly bone in your body, it belongs to the guy who put it in ya.

The issue of this thread is what caused the war - because stopping the war without addressing its cause is a mere pause in the conflict. See the Korean DMZ, fruitcake. That is what we DON'T want. And you're not included in the "we," distraction-lad.

Cannonpointer » 10 Mar 2025, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 10:40 am

Like I said, coward. You're not here to address the issue of the thread, but to distract from it.

If you have a manly bone in your body, it belongs to the guy who put it in ya.

The issue of this thread is what caused the war - because stopping the war without addressing its cause is a mere pause in the conflict. See the Korean DMZ, fruitcake. That is what we DON'T want. And you're not included in the "we," distraction-lad.

The cause is humans prefer a man made reality over the only way evolving happens in plain sight. Genetics changing population left alive daily here in series parallel positions so far.

Cannonpointer » 10 Mar 2025, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 10:40 am

Like I said, coward. You're not here to address the issue of the thread, but to distract from it.

If you have a manly bone in your body, it belongs to the guy who put it in ya.

The issue of this thread is what caused the war - because stopping the war without addressing its cause is a mere pause in the conflict. See the Korean DMZ, fruitcake. That is what we DON'T want. And you're not included in the "we," distraction-lad.

Sure Karen ....ok Karen....you know it all Karen

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 3:09 pm

Sure Karen ....ok Karen....you know it all Karen

You ever think every democracy comes from last generation added being educated to repeat what their previous 4 generations believed possible daily, so far.

This species of 5 basic ancestral lineages having 5 generation gaps alive created a minimum of 1,064 ways to believe now isn't eternity while genetics space each 8.14 billion ancestors apart in a specific pattern of compounding chromosomes left alive daily here.

Kind of hard to keep up with the context for 4 minutes.

I have zero context when the call took place and the state of affairs at the time.   Other than Nuland is scum to you guys.   

If you think the vote is rigged here, wait until Putin takes over.
 
 

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 3:09 pm

Sure Karen ....ok Karen....you know it all Karen

I know what the OP is about. 

That makes one of us. 
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Mar 2025, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 5:47 pm

I know what the OP is about. 

That makes one of us.

Well Karen I'm being just as serious as you are....no more...no less

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 6:07 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 6:07 pm

Well Karen I'm being just as serious as you are....no more...no less

Just not as smart or as honest.
 

nefarious101 » 10 Mar 2025, 5:52 am » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 5:52 am

Time to quit bitchin' and stop the war...stop the killing on both sides

There's only two sides....

1. leaders who aren't dying

2. the people who are dying by the hundred thousands

Shoot the leaders and it all stops.......

So which side are you on...

the leaders or the people's?

You worshipped Ukraine and Lil Zelly....FULL MODE FRAUD.
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Mar 2025, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Mar 2025, 5:47 pm

I know what the OP is about. 

That makes one of us.

Lil Neffy is clueless.  A hyper lil guy with no real belief system.  Conflicted.  Broken.

Any follower of the issues at hand know that the Uke war began in 2014.
Obama handlers wanted a NATO base in Crimea....

And now here we are....
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Mar 2025, 9:16 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Mar 2025, 9:16 pm

This is the full tape of the infamous "**** the EU" conversation, wherein US operatives planned the Madan Coup that overthrew Ukraine's democracy and installed a puppet government in order to use it as a proxy against Russia.

Notice that US operatives chose which of its assets in Ukraine would lead the government, and which would sit it out. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y

Yeah, and it's on the internet! SMH...