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Blackvegetable » 31 Mar 2025, 11:00 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:00 am

The mind reels...

maybe that’s the “Irony” that he was talking about 

RebelGator » 31 Mar 2025, 11:17 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:17 am

At the time Africans were being brought to America as "slaves", they were thought of as merely farm animals. There was no oppression,  it was more like liberation from the life they had previously lived.

They weren't liberated. Who taught you and @Skans   this stuff? In  Africa, slavery was not necessarily permanent or hereditary. They could sometimes marry into the family, earn their freedom, or rise in status. Some slaves held positions of power or trust—managing households and serving in armies.. Hell, they even had somewhat of an education and were literate enough to advise leaders in different issues. They had a status; their identity was not stripped from them. Many were used in domestic service, agriculture, or craftsmanship, which was often integrated into the daily life of a household or their village. They typically worked alongside their masters, not separated or segregated in brutal systems like plantations. The masters never worked alongside slaves in America. The masters in America were lazy fat *** ****. African slaves were often seen as people who had fallen into a different social status, not as property or subhuman. 


 Contrast that with America:
Enslaved people were considered property, like livestock. They could be bought, sold, inherited, and legally abused. This status was hereditary; children born to enslaved women were automatically slaves for life. Slaves were deliberately stripped of their culture, language, and identity. Families were usually separated. They had no legal rights to marriage or even parent. Many slaveholders used violence, psychological trauma, and religious justification to control their slaves. Most were forced to work long hours in **** environments. Corporal punishment was frequent, and resistance or failure to meet quotas could result in mutilation or death.
 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 9:52 am

I enjoy reading American history. usually most of my peaked interests encompass the civil war era. However, the era of the founding years is just as captivating. In particular, I read about how the founders settled the flagrant contradiction between a free nation while holding onto slavery. Most of the founders owned slaves. They knew their hypocrisy. They just never had an answer for it. If they abolished slavery in the beginning, then the newfound country would be economically devastated. The country would collapse faster than it was founded. There is a very high probability that if they abolished slavery in the beginning, then America would never continue, let alone prosper. Jefferson hated the institution of slavery. However, he also knew that if he had freed his slaves, then he would go bankrupt. Slavery had not just needed to continue, at that time, but it needed to be the foundation of the country. 

The irony: In order for America to be a free nation, it had to be rooted in oppression. 

Humanity intentionally suppresses the brain's ability to navigate space self aware that one is only living as eternally separated since relatively alive daily here.

Family ties by DNA come by chromosome specificity of which of the 5 basic lineages each generation gap was combined with to the current 5 gaps alive this rotation and any day coming into view adapting uniquely here so far.

Sense of proportionately here by the environment one is ancestrally enveloped within this atmosphere by longitude and latitude each rotation alive.

31stArrival » 31 Mar 2025, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:30 am

Humanity intentionally suppresses the brain's ability to navigate space self aware that one is only living as eternally separated since relatively alive daily here.

Family ties by DNA come by chromosome specificity of which of the 5 basic lineages each generation gap was combined with to the current 5 gaps alive this rotation and anyone coming into view adapting uniquely here so far.

****. I forgot to ban your longwinded ***. 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 11:29 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:29 am

They weren't liberated. Who taught you and @Skans   this stuff? 
 

I suspect we were both educated before the indoctrination became rampant.
 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 11:30 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:30 am

****. I forgot to ban your longwinded ***. 

Long live hypothetical standards corrupting every generation gap forward.

THE IRONY OF IT ALL.

RebelGator » 31 Mar 2025, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:32 am

I suspect we were both educated before the indoctrination became rampant.

This isn't an indoctrination. It is recorded history. Yes, indoctrination is real in modern times. However, these are facts that ultimately led to a very bloody and gory war. 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:36 am

This isn't an indoctrination. It is recorded history. Yes, indoctrination is real in modern times. However, these are facts that ultimately led to a very bloody and gory war. 

Oh the irony,,,,,,

Results evolve into existing.
Facts suggesting living is more than time adapting to the moment equally alive corrupt the past throughout current events of adapting as displaced since personally conceived by one's previous generation gaps so far.

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:10 am

Ok...so they were enslaved in Africa also. That is irrelevant. You are basically just saying that if you are going to be oppressed, then it's better to be oppressed in America. But they are still oppressed. I am not sure where you are getting at. The point of the OP is that America would have never gotten off the ground if we didn't have a solid foundation of oppression in place.

Here is what I'm getting at. When Blacks claim they have been "held back" due to their ancestors being enslaved in America, I call **** on that.  They were brought thousands of years into the future.  It would be absurd for anyone today to think that Africans of the 1700's could just work alongside European Whites as anything close to equals. They simply weren't.

I would not disagree with you that American as we know it, may not have expanded to the extent that it has without African laborers.  I do disagree that the majority were oppressed. Most had a much better life here than they would have in Africa.
 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 11:29 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 11:29 am

They weren't liberated. Who taught you and @Skans   this stuff? In  Africa, slavery was not necessarily permanent or hereditary. They could sometimes marry into the family, earn their freedom, or rise in status. Some slaves held positions of power or trust—managing households and serving in armies.. Hell, they even had somewhat of an education and were literate enough to advise leaders in different issues. They had a status; their identity was not stripped from them. Many were used in domestic service, agriculture, or craftsmanship, which was often integrated into the daily life of a household or their village. They typically worked alongside their masters, not separated or segregated in brutal systems like plantations. The masters never worked alongside slaves in America. The masters in America were lazy fat *** ****. African slaves were often seen as people who had fallen into a different social status, not as property or subhuman. 


 

Where do you get this BS.  African slaves were sold to Arabs, Americans, Europeans - anyone who would take them away.  If they stayed, the men were often killed and their women and children taken.
 

Skans » 31 Mar 2025, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 12:30 pm

Here is what I'm getting at. When Blacks claim they have been "held back" due to their ancestors being enslaved in America, I call **** on that.  They were brought thousands of years into the future.  It would be absurd for anyone today to think that Africans of the 1700's could just work alongside European Whites as anything close to equals. They simply weren't.

I would not disagree with you that American as we know it, may not have expanded to the extent that it has without African laborers.  I do disagree that the majority were oppressed. Most had a much better life here than they would have in Africa.

I agree that today's oppression is not the same as it was in the 1700s. The two are unrelated. The point is that America could not have survived without slavery. They didn't have a better life here. It was worse. Much much worse for the reasons I stated. 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 12:34 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 12:34 pm

I agree that today's oppression is not the same as it was in the 1700s. The two are unrelated. The point is that America could not have survived without slavery. They didn't have a better life here. It was worse. Much much worse for the reasons I stated.

American would have survived just fine without slavery. However, it may not have expanded as much as it did.  Or, it may have.  The westward expansion was done WITHOUT slaves.
 

Skans » 31 Mar 2025, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 12:33 pm

Where do you get this BS.  African slaves were sold to Arabs, Americans, Europeans - anyone who would take them away.  If they stayed, the men were often killed and their women and children taken.

Yes, they were sold. Of course they were. The point is that slavery in America was much worse than slavery in Africa. I gave detailed explanations as to why.

Skans » 31 Mar 2025, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 12:35 pm

American would have survived just fine without slavery. However, it may not have expanded as much as it did.  Or, it may have.  The westward expansion was done WITHOUT slaves.

I doubt it. The economy would have crashed hard. The founders themselves would have gone bankrupt. 

Skans » 31 Mar 2025, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 10:23 am

Those "slaves" were not oppressed.  They lived much, much better on most plantations than they did in Africa. Slavery was necessary as a transition from jungle-life to life among civilized people. Unfortunately, the civilized people of that day didn't realize that it would be nearly impossible for Blacks to ever make that transition without the infusion of white DNA.

Also, Black slavery, as it was during America's founding would never have been a problem if the Southern States didn't engage in slavery on an industrial scale. They wanted to get rich on cotton exports, and did, leading to industrial-level slavery.  In just a handfull of decades, slaves would have been rendered useless due to mechanization anyway.

Good Morning Skans.
YES....the all expenses paid trip to the modern civilized world.,.plus the chance to interbreed with intellectually superior people  were single greatest gifts that those Stone Age Jungle Savages were ever given at that time.
[People of all stripes were enslaved, so slavery was seen as a fact of life during those harsh times].

Negro slaves were  captured by their rival Gang Members       and ready to be shipped by the [[[THFC]]] Slave  Traders     

If not for slavery White Men would have mechanized farming much sooner.
Look how quickly farming was mechanized as soon as slavery was abolished.
Blacks have proven to be our greatest burden over the years..so any early gains that slavery meant to us have been long since wiped clean from the books.
In another 50 years the negro population might reach 20% if something isn't done about it.
I say give them all the free abortions their hearts desire, hard drugs and EBT cards that only allow candy and greasy food to be purchased. 
Encourage Gang Banging.....on a good week end in Africa USA I'd like to see the body count improve from just a few dozens, to 100s every week.......  
 
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Mar 2025, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 12:58 pm

.plus the chance to interbreed with intellectually superior people  were single greatest gifts that those Stone Age Jungle Savages were ever given at that time.

 

Actually, this is a very good point. I never thought about that. 

Vegas » 31 Mar 2025, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 1:06 pm

Actually, this is a very good point. I never thought about that.

For some reason this very true point is always left out in Afro Centric  Studies 101 class..............  

Blackvegetable » Today, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 10:32 am

10 years ago this was called Critical Race Theory...

Today it's called *** gone wild...

*GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Mar 2025, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 1:41 pm

For some reason this very true point is always left out in Afro Centric  Studies 101 class..............

March Madness is a perfect example of hybrid ****** who benefitted from white DNA....almost exclusively white women. The resultant product is a startling similarity in appearance.

Breeding the ignorance out of them has proven to be far more effective than schooling, and liberal white parents have willingly contributed their daughter's to the  cause.

 
 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 31 Mar 2025, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Mar 2025, 1:41 pm

For some reason this very true point is always left out in Afro Centric  Studies 101 class..............

Thomas Jefferson had multiple children with his slaves. Jefferson was wicked smart. That guy was a genius. Those kids were probably pretty smart also.