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Blackvegetable » 09 Apr 2025, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 7:40 am

Answer the questions and show everyone who the moron is...

I see big foot and big *** liked your posts, that's sweet to be so anatomically apreciated.  

RebelGator » 09 Apr 2025, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 9:48 am

I see big foot and big *** liked your posts, that's sweet to be so anatomically apreciated.

And you ran like a bitch.

 

Mrkelly » 09 Apr 2025, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 9:43 am

  no tRump tariffs on those countries?   

tRumpers 

They seem to be negotiating. 
 

Skans » 09 Apr 2025, 10:35 am » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 10:35 am

They seem to be negotiating.

  They don’t make our PCs and cellphones 
 

China is not the center of the universe. There are a lot of countries, including us, that can produce everything China does. **** China and all their communist ****. Change has to start sometime.

Mrkelly » 09 Apr 2025, 11:08 am » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 11:08 am

  They don’t make our PCs and cellphones

They can.  And will.  Soon. 
 

Skans » 09 Apr 2025, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 12:14 pm

They can.  And will.  Soon.

  it would take years for them to gear up

what about training?   

Mrkelly » 09 Apr 2025, 2:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 2:26 pm

  it would take years for them to gear up

what about training? 

I'll admit, I'm not 100% onboard with the way Trump is handling this.  Here's what I'd do instead:

• I would target 2 or 3 industries you want here in the US.  Let's say, Semiconductors, Pharmaceuticals, and Auto manufacturing.
• I would provide tax brakes and perhaps even short-term subsidies to get TSMC to move most of not all of its operations to the US. I would promise to expedite green cards for essential workers from Taiwan to move to the US to work for TSMC.  I would also make sure that some of TSMC's critical equipment is also manufactured here in the US.
• I would do the same for Pharmaceuticals and Auto manufacturing. Make sure they have what is necessary to build and assemble cars 90% in the US.

Any tax brakes and subsidies we have to outlay will be offset by reducing the trade war to one just against China.  Yes, we are going to have to trade-war China.  We need to strip certain critical industries away from china and make it profitable for them to do business here. 

Then, once we've achieved the goal of bringing these industries home, we can go after other critical industries like ship building perhaps. Strategically.  One or two industries at a time.
 
 

Mrkelly » 09 Apr 2025, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 7:02 am

  NOW you are worried about slaves starving in China?

  goofy ****

wait until american farmers start complaining.

Skans » 09 Apr 2025, 3:49 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 3:49 pm

I'll admit, I'm not 100% onboard with the way Trump is handling this.  Here's what I'd do instead:

• I would target 2 or 3 industries you want here in the US.  Let's say, Semiconductors, Pharmaceuticals, and Auto manufacturing.
• I would provide tax brakes and perhaps even short-term subsidies to get TSMC to move most of not all of its operations to the US. I would promise to expedite green cards for essential workers from Taiwan to move to the US to work for TSMC.  I would also make sure that some of TSMC's critical equipment is also manufactured here in the US.
• I would do the same for Pharmaceuticals and Auto manufacturing. Make sure they have what is necessary to build and assemble cars 90% in the US.

Any tax brakes and subsidies we have to outlay will be offset by reducing the trade war to one just against China.  Yes, we are going to have to trade-war China.  We need to strip certain critical industries away from china and make it profitable for them to do business here. 

Then, once we've achieved the goal of bringing these industries home, we can go after other critical industries like ship building perhaps. Strategically.  One or two industries at a time.

You left out agriculture 

but still

some sound, well thought out ideas

So why do you support tRump so **** much?

like the Obomba cult did

the lesser of two evils ?

or the evils of two lessers?

that’s why I always say

this country is ****

soon to be changed to

“this world is ****” 
 

jerrab » 09 Apr 2025, 5:03 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 5:03 pm

wait until american farmers start complaining.

Or the workers at the cell phone … etc …  plants

even if this **** works

The years it takes to build the infrastructure to get it done

with American pay

what makes the wingnuts think that their cell phones … etc …won’t cost 5K or more?

and all the rest of the **** that we import 

tRump will back down out of necessity (as usual) when he finds out that china cannot be bullied

just like Putin 

and tRump will be applaudied by his base (as usual)

 
 

nefarious101 » 08 Apr 2025, 4:39 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2025, 4:39 pm

China's got tons of problems

They've said their production is way out of whack...over producing

Now they've lost their best customer....the US

We can't be replaced...we are the world's "Big Dick" when it comes to consumption

The only way China get's the US back as a customer is to suck that "big dick" and they better smile when they do it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU2o1G6LC5I

jerrab » 09 Apr 2025, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 6:06 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU2o1G6LC5I

TRYING to spread fake fear?

you'll need to have a little credibility to do that....but you have none at all

Mrkelly » 09 Apr 2025, 5:06 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 5:06 pm

You left out agriculture I left out agriculture for a reason.  It has the lowest profit margin per land/resource ratio.  Plus, it is already subsidized. Agriculture is stable, but it is not going to be the future of American Greatness.

So why do you support tRump so **** much? I like a lot of what Trump is trying to accomplish.  But, I will be critical of Trump and his policies when I think he makes missteps or even mistakes. Here's the deal - I am ok with Trump and his team taking certain risks.  I am even ok with "we tried, but didn't succeed" on rare occasion. However, what I absolutely demand is deep thought-through strategy and I'm not ok with seat-of-your-pants governance.  I will criticize this ad hoc garbage governance as I see it.  Sometimes however, I may be wrong. Something that looks like seat-of-your-pants governance may actually be a well thought through strategy.  Eventually, I'll figure this out, but while its unfolding I may not be able to recognize which it is. 

that’s why I always say this country is ****

Your view is way too simplistic. This country is not "****". We were getting "****" under Biden and Obama's policies, and eventually, that could have destroyed this country.  It takes a serious series of mistakes to "****" up a country like the United States. Here's some food for thought on your topic of a country being "****":

• Look at Iran and the blunders its made.  Heavy investments in Hamas, Hezbolah and Yemen Houthis, all up in smoke, exposing Iran's weak underbelly to Israel, Saudi Arabia and the US. But, its still there and hasn't been defeated.
• Look at Russia's blunder in warring with Ukraine.  Russia lost any status as a "world leader" as a result and its economy is about as bad as it was in the last days of the USSR.
• Look at the United States leading up to the Civil War.  The US administrations made huge blunders regarding slavery and its handling of the South.  Still, the South wasn't nearly as strong as it thought it was, and while we nearly lost our Republic over this, the country survived.  Survived, albeit much different from the one it was prior to the Civil War.

China is not as strong as world leaders think.  I don't necessarily think its a house of cards either.  Cornering China and making it bend to another country's wishes is like trying to catch a slimy eel with your bare hands. China still has tricks up its sleeve that I question whether the Trump Administration has thought about and planned for. 

We'll see how this plays out - whatever happens, it will be deserve its own bound volume in the Chronicles of American History. And, it will be the most read volume of all times.

 
 

**** China. Tariff them 1000%. If you want their cheap crap, **** you. Cheap knock offs. They are **** crooks.

PhiloBeddo » 08 Apr 2025, 4:00 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2025, 4:00 pm

Let those slant eyed rice eaters eat ****. Tariff the **** out of them. Time to put the hammer to those chinks.

Relatively new trucks with badly rusted out [beyond repair] frames never used to be a thing.
Never
The steel that used to go into the average pick up truck frame must have been more dense [forged with more heat and pressure] and with more rust inhibiting metals added to the recipe.
Today we have stories pouring in about modern trucks with completely rusted out frames by the time they are 5 years old.
I suspect the biggest difference is where the steel is coming from...?
Pro Tip.....find any 1970s to 1980s Ford or Chevy truck for $2000 and put $10,000 worth of new, American made parts into it.

https://usamadeproducts.biz/vehicles-pa ... nsion.html  

https://usamadeproducts.biz/vehicles-parts-brakes.html

https://madeintheusamatters.com/afterma ... directory/

 
 

PhiloBeddo » 08 Apr 2025, 4:00 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Apr 2025, 4:00 pm

Let those slant eyed rice eaters eat ****. Tariff the **** out of them. Time to put the hammer to those chinks.

I used to like to buy stuff from aliexpress.  Lately, I've refrained because you're right - we should stop buying their stuff. 

I have noticed that certain items have come down in price significantly.  For example, there's a watch on Aliexpress that usually sells for $220.  I just checked and its now selling for $190 USD.  I would have to pay $11 tax on it.  But, I still don't see how any tariff is getting paid or collected?
 

Mrkelly » 09 Apr 2025, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Apr 2025, 5:23 pm

Or the workers at the cell phone … etc …  plants

even if this **** works

The years it takes to build the infrastructure to get it done

with American pay

what makes the wingnuts think that their cell phones … etc …won’t cost 5K or more?

and all the rest of the **** that we import 

tRump will back down out of necessity (as usual) when he finds out that china cannot be bullied

just like Putin 

and tRump will be applaudied by his base (as usual)

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/09/how-chi ... arket.html