Putin will retaliate. The real question is whether Ukraine can strike Russia a few more times again before Russia retaliates. Or, this will just be a Ukrainian one-hit-wonder. You've got to actually be able to take advantage of your military victories, otherwise you are just a sitting duck.ConservativeWave » 12 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ MULTIPLE Reports breaking everywhere... that Ukraine has destroyed SCORES of Russian nuclear Bombers and Submarines, in drone attacks from Siberia to Moscow, that could cripple Russia's "Nuclear threat" for YEARS !!!
WOW... I guess Putin should have taken Trump more seriously when he was offered PEACE... because NOW, IF TRUE... this whole thing is just EXPOSING Russia for the "World Power wannabe" that they are NOT ! Reports are that Russian nuclear strategic command bases from Siberia, and thru-out Russia are on FIRE... in massive fireballs... it's being called Russia's pearl Harbor !
It's going to be VERY interesting where this all goes from here... With the MESS that Russia has created in Ukraine... HOW MUCH LONGER can Putin SURVIVE?
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The thing here is... Russia is proving to the WORLD... EVERY DAY, that they are NOT the "World Power" they THINK they are (and that they WANT to be)... and as far as Ukraine goes... Russia has ALREADY bombed them into oblivion... and they just KEEP FIGHTING ! WHAT'S MORE... It's only been a week or so since NATO gave Ukraine permission to attack DEEPER into Russia... Well, THEY ARE !! AND, at this point WHO is getting the worst of things?Skans » 18 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ Putin will retaliate. The real question is whether Ukraine can strike Russia a few more times again before Russia retaliates. Or, this will just be a Ukrainian one-hit-wonder. You've got to actually be able to take advantage of your military victories, otherwise you are just a sitting duck.
Yep...
I would agree. This is a very bad image for Putin's Russia. Makes them appear very weak. Really, just about any country alone, even Germany, could pretty much march right into Moscow and take it over. There is an underground military base under Moscow, the Metro-2, which is just an underground metro system in connecting key government buildings with the Kremlin with deep underground bunkers. It is also a command center, but does not warehouse caches of large military vehicles, and therefor would do very little to stop a country like Germany from taking Moscow and eventually destroy the Metro-2 using Israeli tactics.ConservativeWave » 54 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ The thing here is... Russia is proving to the WORLD... EVERY DAY, that they are NOT the "World Power" they THINK they are (and that they WANT to be)... and as far as Ukraine goes... Russia has ALREADY bombed them into oblivion... and they just KEEP FIGHTING ! WHAT'S MORE... It's only been a week or so since NATO gave Ukraine permission to attack DEEPER into Russia... Well, THEY ARE !! ...AND, at this point WHO is getting the worst of things?
A war against an INFERIOR nation, that was supposed to only last 3 days... to have turned into THIS for Russia? A million Russians DEAD... THOUSANDS of TANKS, ARTILLERY, & ARMAMENTS destroyed... SCORES of planes, ships, and submarines destroyed/damaged, and NOW, their NUCLEAR "Strategic" ARM to also be so SEVERELY Damaged... in ONE NIGHT?
It is TRULY time for Putin to find a way OUT of this... but, it may already be TOO LATE... I think the only way out is for Putin to be taken OUT, by the Russians themselves... and whoever takes over power? ...to put an END to this war !
PUTIN had his chance.. and he BOTCHED it BADLY !!
I don't think there is ANY DOUBT that THAT could happen... However... I think all NATO & America needs to do, is continue to support Ukraine, with whatever they need to continue the fight... including THEIR OWN drone production... and petty soon, the Russian PEOPLE THEMSELVES will rise up (if not the Russian elites themselves)... and end this!Skans » 13 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ I would agree. This is a very bad image for Putin's Russia. Makes them appear very weak. Really, just about any country alone, even Germany, could pretty much march right into Moscow and take it over. There is an underground military base under Moscow, the Metro-2, which is just an underground metro system in connecting key government buildings with the Kremlin with deep underground bunkers. It is also a command center, but does not warehouse caches of large military vehicles, and therefor would do very little to stop a country like Germany from taking Moscow and eventually destroy the Metro-2 using Israeli tactics.
Russia won't come to the table after a devastating attack like that. Putin will need to inflict severe punishment on Ukraine before he would even think about negotiating a cease fire. Ukraine would have to destroy one of its larger underground bases and terrorize Moscow's residents. If it can't do that, it will continue to be a meat-grinder stale-mate.ConservativeWave » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ I don't think there is ANY DOUBT that THAT could happen... However... I think all NATO & America needs to do, is continue to support Ukraine, with whatever they need to continue the fight... including THEIR OWN drone production... and petty soon, the Russian PEOPLE THEMSELVES will rise up (if not the Russian elites themselves)... and end this!
BECAUSE, any way you look at it... Russia is in a MUCH WEAKER position today, than it was a couple days ago !!
Well, he had been doing that for 4 years now... many Ukrainian cites are piles of rubble and the people are living in bunkers... BUT the war goes on !! WHAT can Putin do today that he couldn't have done a year ago?Skans » 17 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ Russia won't come to the table after a devastating attack like that. Putin will need to inflict severe punishment on Ukraine before he would even think about negotiating a cease fire. Ukraine would have to destroy one of its larger underground bases and terrorize Moscow's residents. If it can't do that, it will continue to be a meat-grinder stale-mate.
ConservativeWave » 10 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ Well, he had been doing that for 4 years now... many Ukrainian cites are piles of rubble and the people are living in bunkers... BUT the war goes on !! WHAT can Putin do today that he couldn't have done a year ago?
ConservativeWave » 15 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ Well, he had been doing that for 4 years now... many Ukrainian cites are piles of rubble and the people are living in bunkers... BUT the war goes on !! WHAT can Putin do today that he couldn't have done a year ago?
BUT, Ukraine was prevented (by NATO and America) from attacking deep into Russia until just recently... NOW, Ukraine can hit targets within Russia with IMPUNITY... and Russia has only BEGUN to feel the pain ! and as for "Russia's larger underground bases and terrorize Moscow's residents"... the WORM MAY BE just beginning to turn !!
One way or another this war has taken a new turn... Russia has been hurt BADLY, and NONE of it has come from NATO or America... WILL Russia want to escalate? Nuclear strike against Ukraine? WHAT will happen THEN? CAN Russia continue to take what Ukraine has shown they can dish out? HOW LONG will the Russian people endure this before they do something? WHO KNOWS... I guess... BUT MAN, dis Putin make a HUGE mistake !!!
ALL a box of booby-raps... that each could end up worse for Russia... above in red !Skans » Today, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑
- Engage in chemical warfare to eradicate every living person within Ukraine. Two can play that game... with drone payloads full of toxic chemicals? ...and currently, it's Russians who "think" they have nothing to fear...
- Use Belarus to start chipping away at Northern Ukraine. I don't think Belarus wants anything to do with this fight... could they be forced? MAYBE... But with the fight Ukraine has been putting up... who's to say Belarus might not SWITCH SIDES, and fight AGAINST Russia... for their own freedom ?
- Make a deal with China to use China's military Russia is more afraid of China than they are America... because China WANTS/NEEDS what Russia has in Siberia (I.e. rare earth metals, oil, etc...)... I don't think they would ever agree to that...
- Assassinate Zellenskyy They have been TRYING to do that for YEARS !
- Invade Germany and/or Poland. REALLY? Russia can't even beat Ukraine... WHAT would happen if they invade Poland and/or Germay... NOT TO MENTION it would bring in ALL of NATO as well
All of this is what Russia could do. Not saying its smart to do it. But, was it smart for Russia to try and take Ukraine?ConservativeWave » 5 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ ALL are a box of booby-raps... where each could end up being worse for Russia... Ref. above in red !
Kremlin is hiring. Paid with Borscht and Vodka.Skans » Today, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑ All of this is what Russia could do. Not saying its smart to do it. But, was it smart for Russia to try and take Ukraine?
Be careful what you wish for...Skans » Yesterday, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑
- Engage in chemical warfare to eradicate every living person within Ukraine.
- Use Belarus to start chipping away at Northern Ukraine.
- Make a deal with China to use China's military
- Assassinate Zellenskyy
- Invade Germany and/or Poland.
Ukraine is Putin's Cuban missile crisis...and I don't blame him a bit...Skans » Yesterday, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑ All of this is what Russia could do. Not saying it's smart to do it. But, was it smart for Russia to try and take Ukraine?
Sucks that Gang Grifty is betraying them.ConservativeWave » Yesterday, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑ MULTIPLE Reports breaking everywhere... that Ukraine has destroyed SCORES of Russian nuclear Bombers and Submarines, in drone attacks from Siberia to Moscow, that could cripple Russia's "Nuclear threat" for YEARS !!!
WOW... I guess Putin should have taken Trump more seriously when he was offered PEACE... because NOW, IF TRUE... this whole thing is just EXPOSING Russia for the "World Power wannabe" that they ARE ! Reports are that Russian nuclear strategic command bases from Siberia, and thru-out Russia are on FIRE... in massive fireballs... it's being called Russia's pearl Harbor !
It's going to be VERY interesting where this all goes from here... With the MESS that Russia has created in Ukraine... HOW MUCH LONGER can Putin SURVIVE?
https://countylocalnews.com/breaking/20 ... ng-attack/
https://www.business-standard.com/world ... 673_1.html
https://www.afr.com/world/europe/ukrain ... 602-p5m41f