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I say no. The ripple affects of cutting Medicaid indirectly hurts the middle class and even the wealthy. Economics is not run on 3 separate islands named : Poor, Middle class, and Rich where each island has their own economy. 

Why Medicaid Cuts Affect Everyone — Even If You’re Not on It

The “Big Beautiful Bill” proposes cutting Medicaid by over $700 billion. Even if you don’t use Medicaid, the effects will reach you. Here's how: 

• ER Overload – Uninsured patients flood emergency rooms. Hospitals eat the cost, then raise your bills and insurance premiums. So the next time you whine about having to pay for the poor people, then know that you supported this part of the bill. So shut your cry-hole. 
• Higher Premiums – More untreated illness = more expensive care = higher costs passed on to private insurers (and you). Did you really think this specific cut wouldn't cancel out by means of your pocketbook?
• School Cuts – Medicaid funds nurses, therapists, and counselors in public schools. Cuts mean fewer services or higher local taxes. You would be surprised at how many middle class professions are funded by Medicaid.
•  Nursing Home Strain – Over 60% of long-term elder care is paid by Medicaid. Cuts could force families to cover massive costs themselves. Unless you are Asian or Mexican. They take care of their own. It's the white and blacks that abandoned families. 
•  Job Losses – Medicaid supports millions of healthcare jobs. Cuts can lead to layoffs, especially in rural and working-class areas. I know a lady with a Phd in Occupational therapy. Most of her contracts are Medicaid. She will be out of a job. 

Bottom Line:
When the safety net shrinks, everyone feels it—through higher costs, weaker systems, and more pressure on families.
 
 

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 11:02 am

I say no. The ripple affects of cutting Medicaid indirectly hurts the middle class and even the wealthy. Economics is not run on 3 separate islands named : Poor, Middle class, and Rich where each island has their own economy. 

Why Medicaid Cuts Affect Everyone — Even If You’re Not on It

The “Big Beautiful Bill” proposes cutting Medicaid by over $700 billion. Even if you don’t use Medicaid, the effects will reach you. Here's how: 

• ER Overload – Uninsured patients flood emergency rooms. Hospitals eat the cost, then raise your bills and insurance premiums. So the next time you whine about having to pay for the poor people, then know that you supported this part of the bill. So shut your cry-hole. 
• Higher Premiums – More untreated illness = more expensive care = higher costs passed on to private insurers (and you). Did you really think this specific cut wouldn't cancel out by means of your pocketbook?
• School Cuts – Medicaid funds nurses, therapists, and counselors in public schools. Cuts mean fewer services or higher local taxes. You would be surprised at how many middle class professions are funded by Medicaid.
•  Nursing Home Strain – Over 60% of long-term elder care is paid by Medicaid. Cuts could force families to cover massive costs themselves. Unless you are Asian or Mexican. They take care of their own. It's the white and blacks that abandoned families. 
•  Job Losses – Medicaid supports millions of healthcare jobs. Cuts can lead to layoffs, especially in rural and working-class areas. I know a lady with a Phd in Occupational therapy. Most of her contracts are Medicaid. She will be out of a job. 

Bottom Line:
When the safety net shrinks, everyone feels it—through higher costs, weaker systems, and more pressure on families.

Are you sure that medicaid is BEING cut?
If so, are the cuts specific and surgical?
If so, what is being cut?

Do YOU believe there is waste, fraud, and abuse within medicaid?
If you do, and it CAN be targeted, do you believe that we should?

If you can tell me what is being cut, I'll be happy to vote in your poll. Right now, I don't understand it.
 
 

I'm with Cannon, specifics would help as to what exactly is being cut.

Didn't California just spend $2 billion on Medicaid to illegal immigrants?

Should an able body man get a free ride?

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 11:02 am

I say no. The ripple affects of cutting Medicaid indirectly hurts the middle class and even the wealthy. Economics is not run on 3 separate islands named : Poor, Middle class, and Rich where each island has their own economy. 

Why Medicaid Cuts Affect Everyone — Even If You’re Not on It

The “Big Beautiful Bill” proposes cutting Medicaid by over $700 billion. Even if you don’t use Medicaid, the effects will reach you. Here's how: 

• ER Overload – Uninsured patients flood emergency rooms. Hospitals eat the cost, then raise your bills and insurance premiums. So the next time you whine about having to pay for the poor people, then know that you supported this part of the bill. So shut your cry-hole. 
• Higher Premiums – More untreated illness = more expensive care = higher costs passed on to private insurers (and you). Did you really think this specific cut wouldn't cancel out by means of your pocketbook?
• School Cuts – Medicaid funds nurses, therapists, and counselors in public schools. Cuts mean fewer services or higher local taxes. You would be surprised at how many middle class professions are funded by Medicaid.
•  Nursing Home Strain – Over 60% of long-term elder care is paid by Medicaid. Cuts could force families to cover massive costs themselves. Unless you are Asian or Mexican. They take care of their own. It's the white and blacks that abandoned families. 
•  Job Losses – Medicaid supports millions of healthcare jobs. Cuts can lead to layoffs, especially in rural and working-class areas. I know a lady with a Phd in Occupational therapy. Most of her contracts are Medicaid. She will be out of a job. 

Bottom Line:
When the safety net shrinks, everyone feels it—through higher costs, weaker systems, and more pressure on families.

How much of this is AI?

Quick AI answer:

Reduced Federal Funding:
Matching Rate Reduction: The federal government may reduce the matching rate for Medicaid expansion from 90% to 80% for states that provide coverage to undocumented residents, potentially costing those states millions of dollars in funding.
Per Capita Caps and Block Grants: Proposed cuts may involve per capita caps on federal spending and shifting to block grants, reducing the amount of federal funding states receive for Medicaid.

Examples of Specific Policies Proposed in the House Bill:
Cuts to Medicaid expansion:
The House bill proposed reducing the federal match rate for states providing coverage to undocumented residents.
Elimination of the COVID-19 5% boost:
The bill would eliminate the 5% increase in federal matching rates provided during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Provider Tax Freeze:
The legislation would freeze the "provider tax" that some states use to help fund their Medicaid programs.

WTF?

https://www.techtarget.com/healthcarepa ... r-payments

New analysis estimates $1.1T in Medicaid improper payments

Researchers from the Paragon Health Institute reached the $1.1 trillion value by including eligibility checks in their analysis, which they say CMS has "largely ignored" despite being "the biggest source of errors."

Under the Obama and Biden administrations, CMS did not include reviews of state eligibility determinations in their Payment Error Rate Measurement (PERM) audits, which have measured improper payments in Medicaid and CHIP since 2008. Improper payments are reimbursements from the government that do not meet statutory, regulatory or administrative requirements of the programs.

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 11:02 am

I say no. The ripple affects of cutting Medicaid indirectly hurts the middle class and even the wealthy. Economics is not run on 3 separate islands named : Poor, Middle class, and Rich where each island has their own economy. 

Why Medicaid Cuts Affect Everyone — Even If You’re Not on It

The “Big Beautiful Bill” proposes cutting Medicaid by over $700 billion. Even if you don’t use Medicaid, the effects will reach you. Here's how: 

• ER Overload – Uninsured patients flood emergency rooms. Hospitals eat the cost, then raise your bills and insurance premiums. So the next time you whine about having to pay for the poor people, then know that you supported this part of the bill. So shut your cry-hole. 
• Higher Premiums – More untreated illness = more expensive care = higher costs passed on to private insurers (and you). Did you really think this specific cut wouldn't cancel out by means of your pocketbook?
• School Cuts – Medicaid funds nurses, therapists, and counselors in public schools. Cuts mean fewer services or higher local taxes. You would be surprised at how many middle class professions are funded by Medicaid.
•  Nursing Home Strain – Over 60% of long-term elder care is paid by Medicaid. Cuts could force families to cover massive costs themselves. Unless you are Asian or Mexican. They take care of their own. It's the white and blacks that abandoned families. 
•  Job Losses – Medicaid supports millions of healthcare jobs. Cuts can lead to layoffs, especially in rural and working-class areas. I know a lady with a Phd in Occupational therapy. Most of her contracts are Medicaid. She will be out of a job. 

Bottom Line:
When the safety net shrinks, everyone feels it—through higher costs, weaker systems, and more pressure on families.

Thanks to all the folks who helped pay for the 20k helicopter  flight for my bro..  They could have gone via ambulance

Blackvegetable » 07 Jun 2025, 12:51 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 12:51 pm

How much of this is AI?

A question, of course. None. You see, that is how you answer a **** question the first time. I won't stop posting the survivorship bias question. I don't give a **** how many times you evade.

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:05 pm

A question, of course. None. You see, that is how you answer a **** question the first time. I won't stop posting the survivorship bias question. I don't give a **** how many times you evade.

An evasion, of course...

Cannonpointer » 07 Jun 2025, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 12:29 pm

Are you sure that medicaid is BEING cut?
If so, are the cuts specific and surgical?
If so, what is being cut?

Do YOU believe there is waste, fraud, and abuse within medicaid?
If you do, and it CAN be targeted, do you believe that we should?

If you can tell me what is being cut, I'll be happy to vote in your poll. Right now, I don't understand it.

Hey @Blackvegetable  . Watch how I answer questions after being asked the first time from other members. You should try it for once in your disgusting miserable piece of **** life. 

Are you sure that medicaid is BEING cut?

Yes. The House-passed over $700 billion in Medicaid reductions over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

If so, are the cuts specific and surgical?

Yes, and they focus mainly on:

• New work requirements for adult recipients (including some parents and caretakers)
• Tightened eligibility and verification processes, which means some people will be dropped for paperwork issues, even if they still qualify
• Prohibition of Medicaid funds for gender-affirming care
• Slowing the growth of federal matching funds to states, which shifts more cost burden to state budgets

These aren’t random “fraud cleanups”—they’re broad structural cuts that make it harder to qualify and stay covered.

Do YOU believe there is waste, fraud, and abuse within medicaid?
If you do, and it CAN be targeted, do you believe that we should?

Yes, like in any large system. And targeted reforms to eliminate that are completely reasonable.
But this bill doesn’t separate waste from need. It reduces access for working parents, seniors in nursing homes, and disabled individuals—without first proving that these specific recipients are abusing the system.

So yes—there are specific cuts, and yes—I believe in oversight.
But I also believe broad-based removal of care is not surgical reform. This part of the bill is assuming that only specific 'economies' within the whole economy is being affected. That simply isn't the case. 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jun 2025, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:06 pm

An evasion, of course...

Jesus Christ. I literally answered it. More evidence that you are **** illiterate. God you so **** stupid. STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!


You know that pic you always show trying to prove that you answer questions? Guess what. I will be reposting this ^^^ right back at you. 


1. You willnow demand that I repost the answer just for you, so you don't have to read. 


 

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm

Hey @Blackvegetable  . Watch how I answer questions after being asked the first time from other members. You should try it for once in your disgusting miserable piece of **** life.

He is beyond redemption.

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm

Yes, and they focus mainly on:

• New work requirements for adult recipients (including some parents and caretakers)
• Tightened eligibility and verification processes, which means some people will be dropped for paperwork issues, even if they still qualify
• Prohibition of Medicaid funds for gender-affirming care
• Slowing the growth of federal matching funds to states, which shifts more cost burden to state budgets

These aren’t random “fraud cleanups”—they’re broad structural cuts that make it harder to qualify and stay covered.

Yeah, I'm agin it. Makes people spend more on lawyers just to deal with their **** government.That's a very jewish system right thtere.

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm

Yes, like in any large system. And targeted reforms to eliminate that are completely reasonable.
But this bill doesn’t separate waste from need. It reduces access for working parents, seniors in nursing homes, and disabled individuals—without first proving that these specific recipients are abusing the system.

So yes—there are specific cuts, and yes—I believe in oversight.
But I also believe broad-based removal of care is not surgical reform. This part of the bill is assuming that only specific 'economies' within the whole economy is being affected. That simply isn't the case.

Yeah, I can vote now. Thanks.
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Jun 2025, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 3:13 pm

He is beyond redemption.

Yeah, I'm agin it. Makes people spend more on lawyers just to deal with their **** government.That's a very jewish system right thtere.

Yeah, I can vote now. Thanks.

The Jews will always find a way to exploit us. 

I’ve always looked at Medicaid as a distraction from the democrats to detract from the need for universal healthcare

Just like obombacare

I say

Let the republicans gut Medicaid

Even though republicans need it too

Flood the urgent care facilities

And watch insurance premiums go through the roof to cover it

Then people on both sides will see that neither party gives a damn about them

Maybe one day, we will not vote in uncaring pricks
 

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:22 pm

Hey @Blackvegetable  . Watch how I answer questions after being asked the first time from other members. You should try it for once in your disgusting miserable piece of **** life. 

Yes. The House-passed over $700 billion in Medicaid reductions over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Yes, and they focus mainly on:

• New work requirements for adult recipients (including some parents and caretakers)
• Tightened eligibility and verification processes, which means some people will be dropped for paperwork issues, even if they still qualify
• Prohibition of Medicaid funds for gender-affirming care
• Slowing the growth of federal matching funds to states, which shifts more cost burden to state budgets

These aren’t random “fraud cleanups”—they’re broad structural cuts that make it harder to qualify and stay covered.

Yes, like in any large system. And targeted reforms to eliminate that are completely reasonable.
But this bill doesn’t separate waste from need. It reduces access for working parents, seniors in nursing homes, and disabled individuals—without first proving that these specific recipients are abusing the system.

So yes—there are specific cuts, and yes—I believe in oversight.
But I also believe broad-based removal of care is not surgical reform. This part of the bill is assuming that only specific 'economies' within the whole economy is being affected. That simply isn't the case.

Do you believe these are your thoughts?


 

Vegas » 07 Jun 2025, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 2:05 pm

A question, of course. None. You see, that is how you answer a **** question the first time. I won't stop posting the survivorship bias question. I don't give a **** how many times you evade.

None

:rofl:  

**** piece of ****.
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Jun 2025, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 3:13 pm

He is beyond redemption.

Yeah, I'm agin it. Makes people spend more on lawyers just to deal with their **** government.That's a very jewish system right thtere.

Yeah, I can vote now. Thanks.

Talk to the machine, Ruby...



 

Fuelman » 07 Jun 2025, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 12:43 pm

I'm with Cannon, specifics would help as to what exactly is being cut.

Didn't California just spend $2 billion on Medicaid to illegal immigrants?

Should an able body man get a free ride?

I love the demand for detail...this will allow you to take a more nuanced look at the issue..

And, naturally, proceeding on the assumption that this WH/DOGE has demonstrated nothing but transparency and integrity, we have no reason to question their judgment. 
 

Fuelman » 07 Jun 2025, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 12:54 pm

Quick AI answer:

Reduced Federal Funding:
Matching Rate Reduction: The federal government may reduce the matching rate for Medicaid expansion from 90% to 80% for states that provide coverage to undocumented residents, potentially costing those states millions of dollars in funding.
Per Capita Caps and Block Grants: Proposed cuts may involve per capita caps on federal spending and shifting to block grants, reducing the amount of federal funding states receive for Medicaid.

Examples of Specific Policies Proposed in the House Bill:
Cuts to Medicaid expansion:
The House bill proposed reducing the federal match rate for states providing coverage to undocumented residents.
Elimination of the COVID-19 5% boost:
The bill would eliminate the 5% increase in federal matching rates provided during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Provider Tax Freeze:
The legislation would freeze the "provider tax" that some states use to help fund their Medicaid programs.

Quick AI answer

:rofl:  

Blackvegetable » 07 Jun 2025, 5:50 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jun 2025, 5:50 pm

 

**** piece of ****.

Oh look. He finally figured out the answer. 

So **** stupid.