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Joe Biden took an Iran that was UNDER CONTROL, and LET the Jeanie out of the Bottle... He should be prosecuted for THAT ALONE.

Donald Trump inherited a REVITALIZED, and RE-EMBOLDENED Iran...  and Israel was staring at an IRAN on the verge of NUCLEAR capability.  There was NO EXCUSE for what Joe Biden did... HOWEVER, within 5 months Iran is AGAIN on the verge of being BACK under control... however it WAS NOT (and COULD NOT be ) brought back inder control without bloodshed... Iran had the chance... BUT, THEY CHOSE WAR !!

DO NOT expect Israel to stop the attacks before Iran is SUBDUED, and DON'T expect Trump to FORCE Israel to do it EITHER... Iran will be DESTROYED to the extent that their Nuclear capability is GONE, their Nuclear infrastructure, and Nuclear Brainpower is GONE, and that they will have NO REALISTIC to way reconstitute it ANYTIME SOON !!

it COULD have been SO much easier... DAMN JOE BIDEN !!  ...and SO many lives COULD have been saved... BUT, Iran CHOSE the more difficult path... and SOMETIMES, you GET what you DESERVE... and SO, IRAN is GETTING WHAT they deserve !!
 

It's time for this Iran **** to come to a head and be finished. Crush them and a regime change.

ConservativeWave » 15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm

Joe Biden took an Iran that was UNDER CONTROL, and LET the Jeanie out of the Bottle... He should be prosecuted for THAT ALONE.

Donald Trump inherited a REVITALIZED, and RE-EMBOLDENED Iran...  and Israel was staring at an IRAN on the verge of NUCLEAR capability.  There was NO EXCUSE for what Joe Biden did... HOWEVER, within 5 months Iran is AGAIN on the verge of being BACK under control... however it WAS NOT (and COULD NOT be ) brought back inder control without bloodshed... Iran had the chance... BUT, THEY CHOSE WAR !!

DO NOT expect Israel to stop the attacks before Iran is SUBDUED, and DON'T expect Trump to FORCE Israel to do it EITHER... Iran will be DESTROYED to the extent that their Nuclear capability is GONE, their Nuclear infrastructure, and Nuclear Brainpower is GONE, and that they will have NO REALISTIC to way reconstitute it ANYTIME SOON !!

it COULD have been SO much easier... DAMN JOE BIDEN !!  ...and SO many lives COULD have been saved... BUT, Iran CHOSE the more difficult path... and SOMETIMES, you GET what you DESERVE... and SO, IRAN is GETTING WHAT they deserve !!

The old men who aren't long for this world, chose the more difficult path.  I think many of these old Iranians just want to die in battle rather than fade away on IV. 
 

Skans » 15 Jun 2025, 8:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 8:01 pm

The old men who aren't long for this world, chose the more difficult path.  I think many of these old Iranians just want to die in battle rather than fade away on IV.

JUST heard news about a 2.5 earthquake occurring near the Iranian "Fordaw" Uranium enrichment plant... that the Israelis have been bombing !!  NOT a huge earthquake as earthquakes go... BUT, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL if it is something related to Israels bombing activities? 

NOW, I'm not CERTAIN if it's true, or not.. BUT, iy sounds pretty legitimate... and IF TRUE... DID Israel achieve it alone?  or did they get help from the U.S.A.? ...ot NOT?  If the Fordaw facility has been breached... and it has exploded?  Katie bar the door !!

MORE to COME !!
 

ConservativeWave » 15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm

Joe Biden took an Iran that was UNDER CONTROL, and LET the Jeanie out of the Bottle... He should be prosecuted for THAT ALONE.

Donald Trump inherited a REVITALIZED, and RE-EMBOLDENED Iran...  and Israel was staring at an IRAN on the verge of NUCLEAR capability.  There was NO EXCUSE for what Joe Biden did... HOWEVER, within 5 months Iran is AGAIN on the verge of being BACK under control... however it WAS NOT (and COULD NOT be ) brought back inder control without bloodshed... Iran had the chance... BUT, THEY CHOSE WAR !!

DO NOT expect Israel to stop the attacks before Iran is SUBDUED, and DON'T expect Trump to FORCE Israel to do it EITHER... Iran will be DESTROYED to the extent that their Nuclear capability is GONE, their Nuclear infrastructure, and Nuclear Brainpower is GONE, and that they will have NO REALISTIC to way reconstitute it ANYTIME SOON !!

it COULD have been SO much easier... DAMN JOE BIDEN !!  ...and SO many lives COULD have been saved... BUT, Iran CHOSE the more difficult path... and SOMETIMES, you GET what you DESERVE... and SO, IRAN is GETTING WHAT they deserve !!

We are on the Dawning of  the Age of Precarious. Aquarius has been laid off.

It is different for sure.  Fireballs could be coming to a theatre near us at any moment. And I  am not talking Cinnamon Whiskey..

 
 

ConservativeWave » 15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm

Joe Biden took an Iran that was UNDER CONTROL, and LET the Jeanie out of the Bottle... He should be prosecuted for THAT ALONE.

Donald Trump inherited a REVITALIZED, and RE-EMBOLDENED Iran...  and Israel was staring at an IRAN on the verge of NUCLEAR capability.  There was NO EXCUSE for what Joe Biden did... HOWEVER, within 5 months Iran is AGAIN on the verge of being BACK under control... however it WAS NOT (and COULD NOT be ) brought back inder control without bloodshed... Iran had the chance... BUT, THEY CHOSE WAR !!

DO NOT expect Israel to stop the attacks before Iran is SUBDUED, and DON'T expect Trump to FORCE Israel to do it EITHER... Iran will be DESTROYED to the extent that their Nuclear capability is GONE, their Nuclear infrastructure, and Nuclear Brainpower is GONE, and that they will have NO REALISTIC to way reconstitute it ANYTIME SOON !!

it COULD have been SO much easier... DAMN JOE BIDEN !!  ...and SO many lives COULD have been saved... BUT, Iran CHOSE the more difficult path... and SOMETIMES, you GET what you DESERVE... and SO, IRAN is GETTING WHAT they deserve !!
 

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ConservativeWave » 15 Jun 2025, 10:29 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 10:29 pm

JUST heard news about a 2.5 earthquake occurring near the Iranian "Fordaw" Uranium enrichment plant... that the Israelis have been bombing !!  NOT a huge earthquake as earthquakes go... BUT, PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL if it is something related to Israels bombing activities? 

NOW, I'm not CERTAIN if it's true, or not.. BUT, iy sounds pretty legitimate... and IF TRUE... DID Israel achieve it alone?  or did they get help from the U.S.A.? ...ot NOT?  If the Fordaw facility has been breached... and it has exploded?  Katie bar the door !!

MORE to COME !!

There wouldn't be a nuclear explosion.  Simply having enriched uranium, or even plutonium wouldn't set off a nuke blast.  Even blasting a bunch of enriched plutonium wouldn't do it.  So, whatever it is, I'm certain its only conventional munitions. 
 

Skans » 16 Jun 2025, 9:18 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2025, 9:18 am

There wouldn't be a nuclear explosion.  Simply having enriched uranium, or even plutonium wouldn't set off a nuke blast.  Even blasting a bunch of enriched plutonium wouldn't do it.  So, whatever it is, I'm certain its only conventional munitions.

I wouldn't think that there would be an actual "nuclear explosion", BUT, explosions that register 2.5 on the "Richter scale " don't just "HAPPEN"... it would be a HUGE explosion.. and the question would be... was it Israeli technology?  or American technology?  that created it?   Because THAT is what is required to go deep enough to destroy the tunnels that I think we are talking about.  IT's ALSO possible that it COULD be a PLOY by Iran... to make the world THINK something happened that didn't... I would think Israel & America are talking about it... and coming to a mutual agreement on what it was, and HOW it happened?

However... If Israel was able to pull that off themselves?  America WOULD NOT need to get involved, and we would just need to sit back & watch as Iran figures out for themselves what they want to do... Surrender?  Regime Change? or just GET PUMMELED until Israel decides THEY are done !!!

ConservativeWave » 16 Jun 2025, 9:54 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2025, 9:54 am

I wouldn't think that there would be an actual "nuclear explosion", BUT, explosions that register 2.5 on the "Richter scale " don't just "HAPPEN"... it would be a HUGE explosion.. and the question would be... was it Israeli technology?  or American technology?  that created it?   Because THAT is what is required to go deep enough to destroy the tunnels that I think we are talking about.  IT's ALSO possible that it COULD be a PLOY by Iran... to make the world THINK something happened that didn't... I would think Israel & America are talking about it... and coming to a mutual agreement on what it was, and HOW it happened?

However... If Israel was able to pull that off themselves?  America WOULD NOT need to get involved, and we would just need to sit back & watch as Iran figures out for themselves what they want to do... Surrender?  Regime Change? or just GET PUMMELED until Israel decides THEY are done !!!

America does not need to get involved and should stay out of the war.  If it wants to shoot down some Iranian missiles, I don't have any problem with that.  But, let Israel fight its war with Iran. I'm sure that Israel could figure out how to make its version of bunker-buster bombs.  It's not new technology and not something beyond their capabilities. They just probably don't have a big arsenal of them.

Old man Khomeini supposedly has cancer and is going to die anyway.  He's not going to surrender.  As for his son, Ahmad, he's every bit the ideologue as his daddy - he's prepared to go to hell and fornicate with 70 goats; might even be looking forward to it. 

Israel needs to have the Iranians execute Khomeini and his son.  That's their fight, not Israel's.  So, either the Resistance is up for that, or not.  Israel can hand it to them on a silver platter, but an Iranian is going to have to pull the triggers. 
 
 

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Skans » 16 Jun 2025, 10:03 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2025, 10:03 am

America does not need to get involved and should stay out of the war.  If it wants to shoot down some Iranian missiles, I don't have any problem with that.  But, let Israel fight its war with Iran. I'm sure that Israel could figure out how to make its version of bunker-buster bombs.  It's not new technology and not something beyond their capabilities. They just probably don't have a big arsenal of them.

Old man Khomeini supposedly has cancer and is going to die anyway.  He's not going to surrender.  As for his son, Ahmad, he's every bit the ideologue as his daddy - he's prepared to go to hell and fornicate with 70 goats; might even be looking forward to it. 

Israel needs to have the Iranians execute Khomeini and his son.  That's their fight, not Israel's.  So, either the Resistance is up for that, or not.  Israel can hand it to them on a silver platter, but an Iranian is going to have to pull the triggers.

Yea... but to have the END of the Iranian caliphate RIGHT THERE... at out fingertips... and NOT go ahead an POP the CORK on them... IT MIGHT be something that comes back to HAUNT America (and Israel) in the future... AND BE WORSE !   I think America might try TWO tracks...FOR AMERICA to:

1)  Demand that Iran give up, that the remaining caliphate leaders... to be turned over to America and for trial, and that the remaining nuclear capability be dismantled and destroyed under the supervision of America and Israel... IMMEDIATELY !   or...

2)  Use the American bunker buster bombs to IMMEDIATELY DESTROY all the underground nuclear development sites... and end the war with the understanding that America and Israel will COME BACK if ANY NEW Nuclear weapons are ever resurrected !!

NO boots on the ground, NO other American involvement, LET Israel monitor the situation, and ENCOURAGE the Iranian people to topple the existing government, and implement a Democratic Republic in its place... but call it DONE right there !!!

I would NEVER end this conflict with known Nuclear sites/capability still out there, and READY to make a come back...NEVER !!

ConservativeWave » 17 Jun 2025, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2025, 2:28 pm

Yea... but to have the END of the Iranian caliphate RIGHT THERE... at out fingertips... and NOT go ahead an POP the CORK on them... IT MIGHT be something that comes back to HAUNT America (and Israel) in the future... AND BE WORSE !   I think America might try TWO tracks...FOR AMERICA to:

1)  Demand that Iran give up, that the remaining caliphate leaders... to be turned over to America and for trial, and that the remaining nuclear capability be dismantled and destroyed under the supervision of America and Israel... IMMEDIATELY !   or...

2)  Use the American bunker buster bombs to IMMEDIATELY DESTROY all the underground nuclear development sites... and end the war with the understanding that America and Israel will COME BACK if ANY NEW Nuclear weapons are ever resurrected !!

NO boots on the ground, NO other American involvement, LET Israel monitor the situation, and ENCOURAGE the Iranian people to topple the existing government, and implement a Democratic Republic in its place... but call it DONE right there !!!

I would NEVER end this conflict with known Nuclear sites/capability still out there, and READY to make a come back...NEVER !!

I agree with your last statement.  It would be foolish to end the war without at least accomplishing what they set out to do. I am simply weary and skeptical of the term "Regime Change".  The last time this worked was in Germany and Japan.  Since then, I haven't seen much success. 
 

ConservativeWave » 15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm

Joe Biden took an Iran that was UNDER CONTROL, and LET the Jeanie out of the Bottle... He should be prosecuted for THAT ALONE.

Donald Trump inherited a REVITALIZED, and RE-EMBOLDENED Iran...  and Israel was staring at an IRAN on the verge of NUCLEAR capability.  There was NO EXCUSE for what Joe Biden did... HOWEVER, within 5 months Iran is AGAIN on the verge of being BACK under control... however it WAS NOT (and COULD NOT be ) brought back inder control without bloodshed... Iran had the chance... BUT, THEY CHOSE WAR !!

DO NOT expect Israel to stop the attacks before Iran is SUBDUED, and DON'T expect Trump to FORCE Israel to do it EITHER... Iran will be DESTROYED to the extent that their Nuclear capability is GONE, their Nuclear infrastructure, and Nuclear Brainpower is GONE, and that they will have NO REALISTIC to way reconstitute it ANYTIME SOON !!

it COULD have been SO much easier... DAMN JOE BIDEN !!  ...and SO many lives COULD have been saved... BUT, Iran CHOSE the more difficult path... and SOMETIMES, you GET what you DESERVE... and SO, IRAN is GETTING WHAT they deserve !!

Plugs did not make one good decision 

PhiloBeddo » 15 Jun 2025, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 6:27 pm

It's time for this Iran **** to come to a head and be finished. Crush them and a regime change.

I predict russia will join iran.

 

jerra b » 18 Jun 2025, 4:25 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:25 am

I predict russia will join iran.

 

they cannot afford too. Not with Ukraine going forward.

jerrab » 18 Jun 2025, 4:25 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 4:25 am

I predict russia will join iran.

Russia can’t even defeat Ukraine 

BuckNaked » 18 Jun 2025, 8:38 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 8:38 am

Russia can’t even defeat Ukraine

you mean america

jerrab » 18 Jun 2025, 8:39 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 8:39 am

you mean america

no I mean Ukraine 
 

BuckNaked » 18 Jun 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 8:42 am

no I mean Ukraine

if america including biden and trump did not give weapons to ukraine, ukraine would have signed a peace  treaty and promise to not join nato a long time ago.
 

jerrab » 18 Jun 2025, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2025, 8:50 am

if america including biden and trump did not give weapons to ukraine, ukraine would have signed a peace  treaty and promise to not join nato a long time ago.

just say we will not join nato whether you do or not who cares but it won’t stop the fightin