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Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 12:49 pm

If that's the case, your opinion makes even less sense!
Why in the world would we continue funding Ukraine military AFTER RUSSIA TAKES OVER THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY?

you  make no sense.

and explain why we should keep funding ukraine when they refuse to sign a peace  treaty?

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 11:44 am

Actually, I couldn't care less watching Ukraine get bombed.  Zelensky had the opportunity to let Trump negotiate a peace deal for them and he walked out of the meeting in a huff.  Now instead, he gets to see how much more territory his country will lose to Russia in the coming months as Ukraine gets closer and closer to unconditional surrender.

Guess you enjoyed seeing hundreds of billions of our taxpayer dollars wasted in an unwinnable war with a demented buffoon like Biden in charge, didn't you?

What are the f16s doing?

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 12:49 pm

If that's the case, your opinion makes even less sense!
Why in the world would we continue funding Ukraine military AFTER RUSSIA TAKES OVER THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY?

for the minerals we bought?

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 11:55 am

Oh, and a genius like you actually thinks THAT would be a great resolution for Russia?
You're a fool!
Russia rightfully laughed at the proposal that would have them giving up all the territory in Ukraine they've conquered through years of war, and so they'll continue taking more and more territory until Ukraine gives them an unconditional surrender.

And no, it is NOT the resolution I'd prefer, but I'm not foolish enough to believe that Ukraine has any bargaining power left, despite what YOU think will happen.  You'll continue counting on the generosity of a kind and just Putin to give back all the land he's gained in the war, and you'll be shocked when Russia annexes and absorbs the entire country, or leaves Ukraine with territory the size of Rhode Island.  And again, they've brought this on themselves by refusing to negotiate a truce early on as Trump attempted to do.  So now these are the consequences of that stupidity.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/ukraine ... ining-nato


Ukraine Is Never Joining NATO
 
 

Blackvegetable » 19 Jun 2025, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 12:40 pm

Is the evidence of that measurable?

I'm a Republican....I hide my face, in shame.
 

Measurable? HA!!

How about: 

1)  Trump Russian collusion?... now proven to have been Democrat WEAPONIZATION of the FBI !

2)  51 FBI & CIA agents SWEARING that the Hunter laptop was FAKE?... it was NOT and even Hunter now admits it !

3)  FOUR (4) Law-fare attempts to REMOVE Trump from his presidential run?... ALL FAILED.. and the prosecutors are NOW running for the hills !

4)  TWO (2) assassination attempts?... Which even Secret Service agents NOW ADMIT were EITHER intentional, or the product of TOTAL incompetence !

5)  IN SPITE of ALL of that... Donald Trump WON the 2024 presidential election in a LANDSLIDE !

AND... evidence is now trickling out that the Biden administration COLLUDED with China... when China FABRICATED tens of THOUSANDS of fake drivers licenses... that were used to register FAKE Democrat voters ahead of the 2020 election?  STILL more to COME on that !

I think THOSE, and DOZENS of other examples SHOW AMERICA JUST who was CORRUPT, and WHO is NOT... and are ALL VERY "MEASURABLE" !!

As far as the REST... YOU are NOT a Republican.... BUT, YOU SHOULD HIDE you're FACE in SHAME !!

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 11:44 am

Actually, I couldn't care less watching Ukraine get bombed.  Zelensky had the opportunity to let Trump negotiate a peace deal for them and he walked out of the meeting in a huff.  Now instead, he gets to see how much more territory his country will lose to Russia in the coming months as Ukraine gets closer and closer to unconditional surrender.

Guess you enjoyed seeing hundreds of billions of our taxpayer dollars wasted in an unwinnable war with a demented buffoon like Biden in charge, didn't you?

you forget one little thing. trump WAS going to have zelinsky sign a treaty but when he signed the mineral  deal  the peace deal went to the garbage pail.

why? 

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 12:36 pm

your post,

and a genius like you actually thinks THAT would be a great resolution for Russia?
You're a fool!
Russia rightfully laughed at the proposal that would have them giving up all the territory in Ukraine they've conquered through years of war, and so they'll continue taking more and more territory until Ukraine gives them an unconditional surrender.

And no, it is NOT the resolution I'd prefer, but I'm not foolish enough to believe that Ukraine has any bargaining power left, despite what YOU think will happen.  You'll continue counting on the generosity of a kind and just Putin to give back all the land he's gained in the war, and you'll be shocked when Russia annexes and absorbs the entire country, or leaves Ukraine with territory the size of Rhode Island.  And again, they've brought this on themselves by refusing to negotiate a truce early on as Trump attempted to do.  So now these are the consequences of that stupidity.////////////////////////

the post I responded to was about ukraine.

EVERY DAY... the Pro Russian PUPPET states around the world are imploding... and American policies, priorities, and weapons... are HEAD & SHOULDERS above all the rest... RUSSIA is getting THRASHED by Ukraine MORE every DAY.... NOW, russia is MUCH larger... and SHOULD WIN.... BUT, Ukraine seems resolute to USE their resources to FIGHT BACK... and are doing a HELL of a job... as this Russian quagmire rolls into year #4 !

It's getting to the pont now that ANY DAY the Russians THEMSELVES might rise up and END Putin... and the VERY LEAST that they will have to give up, is ALL of Ukraine's pre war lands... HOW MUCH LONGER will the Russian people remain silent ????

ConservativeWave » 19 Jun 2025, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:40 pm

EVERY DAY... the Pro Russian PUPPET states around the world are imploding... and American policies, priorities, and weapons... are HEAD & SHOULDERS above all the rest... RUSSIA is getting THRASHED by Ukraine MORE every DAY.... NOW, russia is MUCH larger... and SHOULD WIN.... BUT, Ukraine seems resolute to USE their resources to FIGHT BACK... and are doing a HELL of a job... as this Russian quagmire rolls into year #4 !

It's getting to the pont now that ANY DAY the Russians THEMSELVES might rise up and END Putin... and the VERY LEAST that they will have to give up, is ALL of Ukraine's pre war lands... HOW MUCH LONGER will the Russian people remain silent ????

haha with amerucan tax payer money, and you praise zelinsky who cares nada about his citizens and bombs russia with american paid for weapons knowing full well russia will strike back. hey lets bomb canada and see what happens.

ConservativeWave » 19 Jun 2025, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:40 pm

EVERY DAY... the Pro Russian PUPPET states around the world are imploding... and American policies, priorities, and weapons... are HEAD & SHOULDERS above all the rest... RUSSIA is getting THRASHED by Ukraine MORE every DAY.... NOW, russia is MUCH larger... and SHOULD WIN.... BUT, Ukraine seems resolute to USE their resources to FIGHT BACK... and are doing a HELL of a job... as this Russian quagmire rolls into year #4 !

It's getting to the pont now that ANY DAY the Russians THEMSELVES might rise up and END Putin... and the VERY LEAST that they will have to give up, is ALL of Ukraine's pre war lands... HOW MUCH LONGER will the Russian people remain silent ????

biden was deceptive from the beginning and trump is just as bad.

-------------------------------------------------------Full story 

Days after striking a deal with Ukraine involving rare earth minerals, the Trump administration appears to be conducting a major shift in diplomacy. Months after the president’s promise to end the Ukraine-Russia war, quickly after becoming president, the U.S. announced that it would no longer engage in what is often referred to as shuttle diplomacy between the two countries.What is the State Department’s position?State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce said Thursday, May 1, that the U.S. will no longer be the “mediators” in these negotiations. She added that the methodology of how the U.S. contributes to peace talks will change.Bruce said the administration remains committed to ending the war and will do what it can but will no longer “fly around the world at the drop of a hat to mediate meetings. She added that these negotiations are “now between the two parties,” adding, “now is the time that they need to present and develop concrete ideas about how this conflict is going to end.”“It’s going to be up to them,” Bruce said.
 

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:54 pm

haha with amerucan tax payer money, and you praise zelinsky who cares nada about his citizens and bombs russia with american paid for weapons knowing full well russia will strike back. hey lets bomb canada and see what happens.

MOST of the weapons going to Ukraine these days are NOT American... they are EU weapons... as it should be !  America is providing a backstop however... IF Russia should want to play the NUCLEAR card?  BUT, THEY have their hands full with JUST Ukraine, and a few weapons from Europe... MOST of the damage Ukraine is dolling out these days? ...is due to UKRAINIAN designed and developed drones... AND they seem to be getting better EVERY DAY !!

SO, what do YOU THINK?  That Russia should be able to invade Ukraine with IMPUNITY?  THEY HAVE NO RIGHT to invade ANYONE without ramifications... AND, they got a LIFETIMES worth of EDUCATION with Ukraine... I.e. 1)  Invade Ukraine, 2)  The Nordic countries join NATO, 3) ALL the other NATO countries DOUBLE their % of GDP going to weapons... NOT TO MENTION...  4)  IF Russia invades THEM (NATO) now... America is likely to get MUCH more involved again...

HOWEVER, right now, America has stepped BACK from Ukraine... AS THEY ARE busy with Iran (which Israel seems to be doing a GREAT job with, and we all know IRAN will will either surrender WITH or WITHOUT the U.S. MOAB being used,... but THEY WILL surrender)... and China (which the Tariff war is taking a HUGE bite out of, and they will NEVER get back to where they were)... AND IF you stop & think about it, the United States is involved in conflicts ALL OVER the WORLD... BUT, has the closest proxies doing all the REAL fighting... while America WAITS, WATCHES, and CONSIDERS the NEXT STEPS !

SUCH is the GENIUS of Donald TRUMP diplomacy !!

ConservativeWave » 19 Jun 2025, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 2:24 pm

MOST of the weapons going to Ukraine these days are NOT American... they are EU weapons... as it should be !  America is providing a backstop however... IF Russia should want to play the NUCLEAR card?  BUT, THEY have their hands full with JUST Ukraine, and a few weapons from Europe... MOST of the damage Ukraine is dolling out these days? ...is due to UKRAINIAN designed and developed drones... AND they seem to be getting better EVERY DAY !!

SO, what do YOU THINK?  That Russia should be able to invade Ukraine with IMPUNITY?  THEY HAVE NO RIGHT to invade ANYONE without ramifications... AND, they got a LIFETIMES worth of EDUCATION with Ukraine... I.e. 1)  Invade Ukraine, 2)  The Nordic countries join NATO, 3) ALL the other NATO countries DOUBLE their % of GDP going to weapons... NOT TO MENTION...  4)  IF Russia invades THEM (NATO) now... America is likely to get MUCH more involved again...

HOWEVER, right now, America has stepped BACK from Ukraine... AS THEY ARE busy with Iran (which Israel seems to be doing a GREAT job with, and we all know IRAN will will either surrender WITH or WITHOUT the U.S. MOAB being used,... but THEY WILL surrender)... and China (which the Tariff war is taking a HUGE bite out of, and they will NEVER get back to where they were)... AND IF you stop & think about it, the United States is involved in conflicts ALL OVER the WORLD... BUT, has the closest proxies doing all the REAL fighting... while America WAITS, WATCHES, and CONSIDERS the NEXT STEPS !

SUCH is the GENIUS of Donald TRUMP diplomacy !!

such is the **** of trump-- now we are facing two ww3's.

russia warned for a week that ukraine should not join nato. all  biden did was laugh and say if russia invaded ukraine america would give ukraine weapons.

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:35 pm

you forget one little thing. trump WAS going to have zelinsky sign a treaty but when he signed the mineral  deal  the peace deal went to the garbage pail.

why?

Simple.  Zelensky doesn't want a peace deal!  He wants to keep padding his own income with the $60 million a year salary we're giving him and his half-billion dollars of wealth he's accrued from what idiot Biden sent him with no accountability whatsoever.  Trump made it clear that his gravy train is over, and unless he's ready to make a peace deal, he can go pound sand, and that's what Zelensky did when he left the White House in a huff!

Trump basically told him, "OK, you want to keep fighting?  Go right ahead!  But you'll do it without the US taxpayers funding it!  And if you can get it from the other NATO members who have far more at stake than we do, then more power to you!  Come back when you want me to negotiate a peace deal, and I'll be happy to help!"
 

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 1:28 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:28 pm

https://www.cato.org/commentary/ukraine ... ining-nato

Ukraine Is Never Joining NATO

Agreed!  And if that **** moron Biden had stated so unequivocally at the onset, it's likely Russia would never have invaded!  But no, that brainless idiot told the world that it was up to Ukraine to decide IF they wanted to join NATO or not!  And Putin simply decided not to take that chance.  And I honestly can't blame him!

Just another mess that your hero Biden left us with, which just happened to cost us more than $200 billion and thousands of dead Russians and Ukrainians and a country that's virtually decimated and will need trillions to rebuild it.

All thanks to the demented idiot you liberal Democrats supported!
So, THANKS A **** LOT!!!
 

BuckNaked » 19 Jun 2025, 1:05 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:05 pm

for the minerals we bought?

Maybe, but I'll trust Trump to make the determination regarding what that's worth.  At least we'll be getting something in return for our money, which is far better than what idiot Biden did who demanded no accountability whatsoever for the hundreds of billions HE threw at them!
 

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 2:58 pm

Agreed!  And if that **** moron Biden had stated so unequivocally at the onset, it's likely Russia would never have invaded!  But no, that brainless idiot told the world that it was up to Ukraine to decide IF they wanted to join NATO or not!  And Putin simply decided not to take that chance.  And I honestly can't blame him!

Just another mess that your hero Biden left us with, which just happened to cost us more than $200 billion and thousands of dead Russians and Ukrainians and a country that's virtually decimated and will need trillions to rebuild it.

All thanks to the demented idiot you liberal Democrats supported!
So, THANKS A **** LOT!!!

I never supported biden but you support trump   who  is doing  a rotten job as well.

BuckNaked » 19 Jun 2025, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 1:04 pm

What are the f16s doing?

They're not operational and will be used by Ukraine for their spare parts.  We've got no use for them:

US Air Force sending ‘boneyard’ F-16s to Ukraine for spare parts
By Stephen Losey  Monday, May 5, 2025

The United States Air Force is pulling old and nonoperational F-16s out of its airplane graveyard — commonly referred to as “the boneyard” — to send to Ukraine for spare parts.

 
 
 

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 2:53 pm

Simple.  Zelensky doesn't want a peace deal!  He wants to keep padding his own income with the $60 million a year salary we're giving him and his half-billion dollars of wealth he's accrued from what idiot Biden sent him with no accountability whatsoever.  Trump made it clear that his gravy train is over, and unless he's ready to make a peace deal, he can go pound sand, and that's what Zelensky did when he left the White House in a huff!

Trump basically told him, "OK, you want to keep fighting?  Go right ahead!  But you'll do it without the US taxpayers funding it!  And if you can get it from the other NATO members who have far more at stake than we do, then more power to you!  Come back when you want me to negotiate a peace deal, and I'll be happy to help!"

nope he said america will give weapons, that is part of the mineral deal.

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 2:53 pm

Simple.  Zelensky doesn't want a peace deal!  He wants to keep padding his own income with the $60 million a year salary we're giving him and his half-billion dollars of wealth he's accrued from what idiot Biden sent him with no accountability whatsoever.  Trump made it clear that his gravy train is over, and unless he's ready to make a peace deal, he can go pound sand, and that's what Zelensky did when he left the White House in a huff!

Trump basically told him, "OK, you want to keep fighting?  Go right ahead!  But you'll do it without the US taxpayers funding it!  And if you can get it from the other NATO members who have far more at stake than we do, then more power to you!  Come back when you want me to negotiate a peace deal, and I'll be happy to help!"

do you bother to do any research or do you just make things up??

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-know ... erals-deal

The deal also counts any future U.S. military assistance to Ukraine in the form of ammunition, weapons systems, or training as a capital contribution to the fund. Additionally, Ukraine will not reimburse Washington for past military aid that was provided. This is a substantive jump from the first iteration of the deal, which called for Ukraine to repay $500 billion in military assistance provided. After the agreement was signed, President Trump restarted military support to Ukraine. The White House approved $50 million in weapons sales to Ukraine on the same day that the agreement was signed.
 
 

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:04 pm

I never supported biden but you support trump   who  is doing  a rotten job as well.

You're entitled to your stupid opinion.
But anyone with a brain sees that we now have a secure border, and thousands of illegal criminals are being deported.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed biological men in women's sports.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed transgender surgeries on minors.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump outlawed LGBTQ drag queens teaching kindergarten kids.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has stopped micromanaging Israel in their fight against terrorists in Gaza against Hamas, against Hezbollah, and against Iran.
AND THAT WE KNOW YOU OPPOSE THAT, but 80% of the country agrees that Iran CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON, so nobody cares about that 20% you're in!

Next, Trump is providing tax cuts to the poor and middle class that ends tax on overtime, tax on tips, and tax on Social Security.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has eliminated subsidies to the biased media.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has repurposed DOGE to eliminate fraud and wasteful spending in government.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has made the interest on the purchase of American cars deductible.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has designated English as the official language of the US.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

And there are plenty more!
When you confirm or deny your opposition to those actions, I'll be happy to continue.
Till then, your opinion that "Trump has done a rotten job" is not only groundless, but quite laughable, especially when comparing what he's done in 5 months to Biden's 4 YEARS!


 

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:12 pm

do you bother to do any research or do you just make things up??

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------   https://www.csis.org/analysis/what-know ... erals-deal

The deal also counts any future U.S. military assistance to Ukraine in the form of ammunition, weapons systems, or training as a capital contribution to the fund. Additionally, Ukraine will not reimburse Washington for past military aid that was provided. This is a substantive jump from the first iteration of the deal, which called for Ukraine to repay $500 billion in military assistance provided. After the agreement was signed, President Trump restarted military support to Ukraine. The White House approved $50 million in weapons sales to Ukraine on the same day that the agreement was signed.

I've got no problem with that, now that we're getting invaluable minerals in return.  And a measly $50 million is a far cry from the hundreds of billions that Biden gave him, isn't it?