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jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 3:06 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:06 pm

nope he said america will give weapons, that is part of the mineral deal.

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:21 pm

You're entitled to your stupid opinion.
But anyone with a brain sees that we now have a secure border, and thousands of illegal criminals are being deported.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed biological men in women's sports.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed transgender surgeries on minors.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump outlawed LGBTQ drag queens teaching kindergarten kids.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has stopped micromanaging Israel in their fight against terrorists in Gaza against Hamas, against Hezbollah, and against Iran.
AND THAT WE KNOW YOU OPPOSE THAT, but 80% of the country agrees that Iran CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON, so nobody cares about that 20% you're in!

Next, Trump is providing tax cuts to the poor and middle class that ends tax on overtime, tax on tips, and tax on Social Security.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has eliminated subsidies to the biased media.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has repurposed DOGE to eliminate fraud and wasteful spending in government.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has made the interest on the purchase of American cars deductible.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has designated English as the official language of the US.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

And there are plenty more!
When you confirm or deny your opposition to those actions, I'll be happy to continue.
Till then, your opinion that "Trump has done a rotten job" is not only groundless, but quite laughable, especially when comparing what he's done in 5 months to Biden's 4 YEARS!

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:21 pm

You're entitled to your stupid opinion.
But anyone with a brain sees that we now have a secure border, and thousands of illegal criminals are being deported.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed biological men in women's sports.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed transgender surgeries on minors.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump outlawed LGBTQ drag queens teaching kindergarten kids.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has stopped micromanaging Israel in their fight against terrorists in Gaza against Hamas, against Hezbollah, and against Iran.
AND THAT WE KNOW YOU OPPOSE THAT, but 80% of the country agrees that Iran CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON, so nobody cares about that 20% you're in!

Next, Trump is providing tax cuts to the poor and middle class that ends tax on overtime, tax on tips, and tax on Social Security.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has eliminated subsidies to the biased media.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has repurposed DOGE to eliminate fraud and wasteful spending in government.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has made the interest on the purchase of American cars deductible.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has designated English as the official language of the US.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

And there are plenty more!
When you confirm or deny your opposition to those actions, I'll be happy to continue.
Till then, your opinion that "Trump has done a rotten job" is not only groundless, but quite laughable, especially when comparing what he's done in 5 months to Biden's 4 YEARS!

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:26 pm

I've done barter most of my life!

All Trump's doing is trading military hardware for Ukraine's valuable minerals.  That's called a fair trade, since each of us have a need for something the other side has in abundance. 

Did you like it better when Biden gave it away and got nothing in return?

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:05 pm

They're not operational and will be used by Ukraine for their spare parts.  We've got no use for them:

ConservativeWave » 15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jun 2025, 5:54 pm

Joe Biden took an Iran that was UNDER CONTROL, and LET the Jeanie out of the Bottle... He should be prosecuted for THAT ALONE.

Donald Trump inherited a REVITALIZED, and RE-EMBOLDENED Iran...  and Israel was staring at an IRAN on the verge of NUCLEAR capability.  There was NO EXCUSE for what Joe Biden did... HOWEVER, within 5 months Iran is AGAIN on the verge of being BACK under control... however it WAS NOT (and COULD NOT be ) brought back inder control without bloodshed... Iran had the chance... BUT, THEY CHOSE WAR !!

DO NOT expect Israel to stop the attacks before Iran is SUBDUED, and DON'T expect Trump to FORCE Israel to do it EITHER... Iran will be DESTROYED to the extent that their Nuclear capability is GONE, their Nuclear infrastructure, and Nuclear Brainpower is GONE, and that they will have NO REALISTIC to way reconstitute it ANYTIME SOON !!

it COULD have been SO much easier... DAMN JOE BIDEN !!  ...and SO many lives COULD have been saved... BUT, Iran CHOSE the more difficult path... and SOMETIMES, you GET what you DESERVE... and SO, IRAN is GETTING WHAT they deserve !!

Zeets2 » 19 Jun 2025, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:26 pm

I've done barter most of my life!

All Trump's doing is trading military hardware for Ukraine's valuable minerals.  That's called a fair trade, since each of us have a need for something the other side has in abundance. 

Did you like it better when Biden gave it away and got nothing in return?

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 4:17 pm

there is no **** reason why trump did not include a peace treaty with  zelinski promising not to join nato in the mineral deal.  any pretense of trump  being pro peace is laughable.             

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 4:17 pm

there is no **** reason why trump did not include a peace treaty with  zelinski promising not to join nato in the mineral deal.  any pretense of trump  being pro peace is laughable.             

Trump squeezes Zelenskyy on peace deal as US leaders skip talks in Europe
Trump suggested Ukraine did not try hard enough to get control of Russian-occupied Crimea, pressuring Zelenskyy on a peace deal to “GET IT DONE.

”By Ali Bianco and Amanda Friedman 04/23/2025

 President Donald Trump is amping up pressure on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, as his administration signals it is losing patience trying to broker a deal between Russia and Ukraine.

Zelensky signs law that rules out Ukraine peace talks with Putin as ‘impossible’
NY Post By Snejana Farberov Oct. 4, 2022

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky seemingly shut the door on the prospect of having any peace talks with Vladimir Putin — but not with Russia under a different leadership.

Zelensky signed a decree on Tuesday formally declaring negotiations with the Kremlin autocrat to be “impossible.”

Ukraine Rejects U.S. Peace Push As Putin Refuses To Talk To Zelensky 
February 03, 2025

Kyiv called a proposal that Washington has developed thus far for peace in Ukraine a "failed plan," saying a push for a cease-fire and elections in Ukraine isn't enough to "intimidate" Russian President Vladimir Putin.U.S. President Donald Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia, Keith Kellogg, on February 2 warned that both sides will have to make concessions if they hope to negotiate a settlement to the war.

 London talks end without Ukraine war peace deal as Zelensky admits ‘emotions have run high’ over US bid to recognize Crimea as Russian
NY Post By Caitlin Doornbos April 23, 2025

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 3:52 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:52 pm

waitresses will be ecstatic when their  gas is cut off because  heat assistance was taken out by the bbb.

On Sept. 8, Trump signed the continuing resolution to continue funding appropriations for a few months. That allowed the Department of Health and Human Services in October to release $3.03 billion for states, tribes and territories for the heating program for fiscal year 2018. That represents 90 percent of the funding available under the continuing appropriations act.

You're entitled to your stupid opinion.
But anyone with a brain sees that we now have a secure border, and thousands of illegal criminals are being deported.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed biological men in women's sports.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has outlawed transgender surgeries on minors.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump outlawed LGBTQ drag queens teaching kindergarten kids.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has stopped micromanaging Israel in their fight against terrorists in Gaza against Hamas, against Hezbollah, and against Iran.
AND THAT WE KNOW YOU OPPOSE THAT, but 80% of the country agrees that Iran CANNOT HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPON, so nobody cares about that 20% you're in!

Next, Trump is providing tax cuts to the poor and middle class that ends tax on overtime, tax on tips, and tax on Social Security.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has eliminated subsidies to the biased media.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has repurposed DOGE to eliminate fraud and wasteful spending in government.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has made the interest on the purchase of American cars deductible.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

Next, Trump has designated English as the official language of the US.
DO YOU OPPOSE THAT?

And there are plenty more!
When you confirm or deny your opposition to those actions, I'll be happy to continue.
Till then, your opinion that "Trump has done a rotten job" is not only groundless, but quite laughable, especially when comparing what he's done in 5 months to Biden's 4 YEARS!

jerrab » 19 Jun 2025, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2025, 3:48 pm

the waitresses will be thrilled when they get hit with a 2,000 doctor bill.

Johnson: US must ‘eliminate people on Medicaid’ who are not ‘eligible to be there’
The Hill by Tara Suter - 04/13/25

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said Sunday that Republicans would protect entitlement programs as they press ahead with deep cuts to federal spending, but he added the government must “eliminate people on Medicaid” who are not “eligible to be there.”“The president has made absolutely clear many times, as we have as well, that we’re going to protect Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, for people who are legally beneficiaries of those programs,” Johnson told Maria Bartiromo on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures.”“There are a lot of Americans who rely upon those — those programs, and we’ve got to ensure that they’re safeguarded,” he said.“At the same time, we have to root out fraud, waste and abuse, we have to eliminate on, for example, on Medicaid who are not actually eligible to be there. Able-bodied workers, for example, young men, who are — who should never be on the program at all,” he added.“And … when you have people on the program that are draining the resources, it takes it away from the people that are actually needing it the most and are intended to receive it. You’re talking about young single mothers down on their fortunes at the moment, the people with the real disabilities, the elderly.”

• The legislation includes some provisions that can improve the detection of beneficiaries who aren’t eligible for Medicaid coverage. 
• However, the bill also cuts reimbursements for states that cover people in the U.S. illegally, mandates that recipients work 80 hours a month, and bans payments to nonprofits that provide abortions.

Zeets2 » 20 Jun 2025, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 10:13 am

Oh, so you're counting on some far-fetched possible complaint in the future to show how everything Trump does is unacceptable to you?  Of course, you're not the least bit interested in the truth of that story are you?  OK, then let me educate you:

Now let's see you try to make the claim that there wasn't AT LEAST 10% of waste in a $3.03 BILLION welfare program for the poor and elderly, since THAT is all that Trump was proposing to cut?

And finally...
...Why can't you answer the questions I posed so we all can see you admit that you HATE every one of the great improvements Trump has made for the country in just 5 months?

Here, let me give you another opportunity to defend yourself, since it shouldn't be that tough to get a yes or no answer out of you:

jerrab » 20 Jun 2025, 10:56 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 10:56 am

it will happen dumb *** when they cut liheap.

you get dumber everyday.

Zeets2 » 20 Jun 2025, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 12:12 pm

Explain it to me, genius.
All that's being cut to LIheap is the FEDERAL STAFF!  NOT the funding for the program!  And why the **** are TWO administration staffs needed to administer the program?

What is it that you don't understand about CUTTING EXCESS WASTE AND DUPLICATION OF PROGRAMS?

And after I've answered at least a half dozen of YOUR hateful rhetoric, WHY ARE YOU SO UNABLE TO ANSWER ANYTHING IN MY LIST of great programs from Trump that you refuse to acknowledge after stupidly claiming that Trump "has done a rotten job"?  
Can't face the music of your ignorant claim, can you?

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•  
• Key Provisions:
  The bill includes extending tax cuts from the 2018 tax act, repealing Biden administration tax credits for clean energy, and increasing the standard deduction and child tax credit. It also includes cuts to SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid, and proposes increased border security and defense spending. 
• LIHEAP and the Bill:
  One significant concern is the potential impact on LIHEAP. The bill, in its original form, includes provisions that could significantly impact LIHEAP funding and the ability of low-income individuals to access energy assistance. 

Zeets2 » 20 Jun 2025, 12:12 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 12:12 pm

Explain it to me, genius.
All that's being cut to LIheap is the FEDERAL STAFF!  NOT the funding for the program!  And why the **** are TWO administration staffs needed to administer the program?

What is it that you don't understand about CUTTING EXCESS WASTE AND DUPLICATION OF PROGRAMS?

And after I've answered at least a half dozen of YOUR hateful rhetoric, WHY ARE YOU SO UNABLE TO ANSWER ANYTHING IN MY LIST of great programs from Trump that you refuse to acknowledge after stupidly claiming that Trump "has done a rotten job"?  
Can't face the music of your ignorant claim, can you?

Zeets2 » 20 Jun 2025, 10:33 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 10:33 am

That waitress you're SO worried about with her $2000 doctor bill?  SHE'S NOT GETTING HER BENEFITS CUT, so stop lying about it!

jerrab » 20 Jun 2025, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 12:23 pm

• ================================================================================================================================================================================
•  
• Key Provisions:
  The bill includes extending tax cuts from the 2018 tax act, repealing Biden administration tax credits for clean energy, and increasing the standard deduction and child tax credit. It also includes cuts to SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid, and proposes increased border security and defense spending. 
• LIHEAP and the Bill:
  One significant concern is the potential impact on LIHEAP. The bill, in its original form, includes provisions that could significantly impact LIHEAP funding and the ability of low-income individuals to access energy assistance. 

Trump calls program to help low-income Americans pay their energy bills ‘unnecessary’
First, the administration laid off all of the program's staffers.

May 09, 2025
In addition to questioning the program’s necessity, the White House referenced a long-closed audit of the program by the Government Accountability Office. The 2010 report found 11,000 applications for LIHEAP with names of dead people and 1,000 applications from federal employees whose salaries exceeded the income thresholds set by the program. In response to these findings, HHS required states to collect social security numbers as a condition of LIHEAP eligibility and to cross-reference applications with death data. These changes took effect by 2014, and the Government Accountability Office closed the report.

jerrab » 20 Jun 2025, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 12:29 pm

you consider helping poor americans with food and medical care wasteful spending.

Zeets2 » 20 Jun 2025, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 12:46 pm

No, I consider it wasteful spending when an audit has revealed that they have 12,000 applications from dead individuals or from those who are ineligible for the program!

If you DON'T want to see more efficiency in the federal government, you're clearly in a very minute minority of the country!
This is EXACTLY the kind of wasteful **** that Americans voted for in a landslide last November!

Do you need the quotes by both Obama and Biden when they claimed to want exactly the same thing?
But suddenly Trump is the evil one when he follows through with it, huh?
Pure liberal ignorance, and we'd expect nothing less from you!

jerrab » 20 Jun 2025, 1:02 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2025, 1:02 pm

sorry, that is not in the bill.

what is in the bill is tons of verifications which will need tons of follow ups and need more workers and departments, in order to save 20 dollars they will have to spend 50 dollars.