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It's always the same **** with the public. Everything is partisan. Nobody makes decisions on their own, The public opinion on the BBB goes like this, and the members are here are no different: 

MAGA : "BBB-good because it's Trump. 
Dims/Libs: " BBB - bad because it's Trump."

That about sums it up ^^^


Here are pros/cons about the bill. Decide for yourself on its own merit instead of looking at the source. 

Pros                   Major Tax Relief

• Extends and makes permanent most 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act provisions—benefiting individuals and small businesses apnews.com+3cbsnews.com+3en.wikipedia.org+3.
• Eliminates taxes on tips, overtime, and most Social Security income; increases standard and child deductions thetimes.co.uk+9apnews.com+9nypost.com+9.
• Claims to return over $10,000/year in take‑home pay for typical families; touted by Republicans as the largest middle‑/working‑class tax cut in history
  
  
  Economic & Business Incentives
   
• Keeps 100% immediate expensing for business investments; raises the small-business deduction from 20% to 23% taxfoundation.org+15whitehouse.gov+15whitehouse.gov+15.
• Bolsters manufacturing and energy sectors: boosts defense, border wall, oil/gas production, and repeals renewable energy credits thetimes.co.uk+5apnews.com+5nypost.com+5.
• • National Security & Immigration
• Allocates $46–50 billion to complete border wall, expand ICE, and hire more Border Patrol agents vg.no+15theguardian.com+15nypost.com+15.

 

Cons• Health, Welfare & Coverage Cuts

• Medicaid work requirements kicking in Dec 2026; could make 8–11 million Americans lose insurance apnews.com+4scrippsnews.com+4en.wikipedia.org+4.
• Reduces or shifts costs of SNAP and rural hospital funding; targets green energy incentives, Planned Parenthood, and abortion coverage taxfoundation.org+15apnews.com+15scrippsnews.com+15.

• Fiscal Impact

• Adds $2.4–2.8 trillion to the deficit by 2034, per CBO; CRFB estimates $4–5 trillion including interest, endangering Social Security and Medicare solvency nypost.com+5en.wikipedia.org+5theguardian.com+5.

• Wealth Transfer & Equity Concerns

• Experts warn it's a “Robin Hood in reverse,” transferring wealth upward apnews.com+2en.wikipedia.org+2whitehouse.gov+2.
• Potential household impact: student loans caps, reduced Pell aid, less ACA/abortion access .

• Political Fallout

• Deeply unpopular: around 49% oppose, just ~29% support en.wikipedia.org.
• Despite GOP backing, fractures within the party noted—moderates and Freedom Caucus voiced concerns nypost.com.

Medicaid work requirements are not a "con"...though it doesn't go far enough because if one has a child under 14 they don't have to work. That crap has to end.

If the parents can't take care of the kids they're "unfit". Send them to work and put the children with a fit guardian.

michaelf » 03 Jul 2025, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 12:19 pm

Medicaid work requirements are not a "con"...though it doesn't go far enough because if one has a child under 14 they don't have to work. That crap has to end.

If the parents can't take care of the kids they're "unfit". Send them to work and put the children with a fit guardian.

I doubt they have fit guardians. They are very uneducated. They have problems making responsible decisions. 
 

That was a bunch of hogwash

BuckNaked » 03 Jul 2025, 12:43 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 12:43 pm

That was a bunch of hogwash

Ok. Thanks for your input. 

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 12:41 pm

I doubt they have fit guardians. They are very uneducated. They have problems making responsible decisions.

The state selects the guardian as in any other case of unfit parents. That's a better use of public money than Medicaid, snap and public housing.

michaelf » 03 Jul 2025, 12:48 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 12:48 pm

The state selects the guardian as in any other case of unfit parents. That's a better use of public money than Medicaid, snap and public housing.

True. Good point.

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 12:44 pm

Ok. Thanks for your input.

I was referring to Hakeem’s speech

We will see what is really going to happen with this bill

Going after snap and Medicaid could cost republicans votes

Once people find out that the “no tax on tips” is capped at 10K could piss some off

The hospitals and food banks are terrified of what is to come

Going after low income programs instead of waste at the pentagon, and corporate welfare

And tax cuts for people that make north of 50 million a year might rub people the wrong way

They seem to forget that we have a lot of poor folks that are on the right too

It ain’t just lefties that need a little help

Like I said … we will find out how this all shakes out
 

Mrkelly » 03 Jul 2025, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 2:25 pm

We will see what is really going to happen with this bill

Going after snap and Medicaid could cost republicans votes

Once people find out that the “no tax on tips” is capped at 10K could piss some off

The hospitals and food banks are terrified of what is to come

Going after low income programs instead of waste at the pentagon, and corporate welfare

And tax cuts for people that make north of 50 million a year might rub people the wrong way

They seem to forget that we have a lot of poor folks that are on the right too

It ain’t just lefties that need a little help

Like I said … we will find out how this all shakes out

The Repubs rarely get the votes of the lower income population anyway. I doubt they even cared what happens to them. They want the votes of the middle class and rich. This bill will probably ensure that. Most of the benefits go to the middle class/rich, whereas most of the cons affect the lower income.
 

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am

It's always the same **** with the public. Everything is partisan. Nobody makes decisions on their own, The public opinion on the BBB goes like this, and the members are here are no different: 

MAGA : "BBB-good because it's Trump. 
Dims/Libs: " BBB - bad because it's Trump."

That about sums it up ^^^

Here are pros/cons about the bill. Decide for yourself on its own merit instead of looking at the source.

More AI output?

michaelf » 03 Jul 2025, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 12:19 pm

Medicaid work requirements are not a "con"...though it doesn't go far enough because if one has a child under 14 they don't have to work. That crap has to end.

If the parents can't take care of the kids they're "unfit". Send them to work and put the children with a fit guardian.

And you believe this is more cost effective?

Blackvegetable » 03 Jul 2025, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 2:59 pm

More AI output?

Another **** question. I did a poll for the forum about that. Ill bump it. 

Do you not **** see the God damn links? That isn't AI you dumb pile of ****.

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 2:37 pm

The Repubs rarely get the votes of the lower income population anyway. I doubt they even cared what happens to them. They want the votes of the middle class and rich. This bill will probably ensure that. Most of the benefits go to the middle class/rich, whereas most of the cons affect the lower income.

I don’t know about that

tRump has a lot of supporters that aren’t rich

rich people don’t go to rallies 

we will see come mid term if ignoring a lot of his base will cost them

like it did the dems 
 

Mrkelly » 03 Jul 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 3:25 pm

I don’t know about that

tRump has a lot of supporters that aren’t rich

rich people don’t go to rallies 

we will see come mid term if ignoring a lot of his base will cost them

like it did the dems

I said middle class and the rich. The poor tend to vote Dim.

I read a WaPo article.. Bro is destitute. The expansion group from Obama Care get murdered. Those between 35% and the poverty line.

Ya guys are paying for bro's next 70K helicopter ride to Shock Trauma still.

Welcome to the poverty line.. Wait for it.. The BBB Pampers the Rich and Hampers the Poor. They look at at you and me like vermin to be dealt with.. Like feeding burgers to the rats in the backyard. Slaves to the World Bank!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j2Nq1dU_Sg
 

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am

It's always the same **** with the public. Everything is partisan. Nobody makes decisions on their own, The public opinion on the BBB goes like this, and the members are here are no different: 

MAGA : "BBB-good because it's Trump. 
Dims/Libs: " BBB - bad because it's Trump."

That about sums it up ^^^

Here are pros/cons about the bill. Decide for yourself on its own merit instead of looking at the source.

why are "work requirements" a bad thing?
 

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am

It's always the same **** with the public. Everything is partisan. Nobody makes decisions on their own, The public opinion on the BBB goes like this, and the members are here are no different: 

MAGA : "BBB-good because it's Trump. 
Dims/Libs: " BBB - bad because it's Trump."

That about sums it up ^^^

Here are pros/cons about the bill. Decide for yourself on its own merit instead of looking at the source.

when has the CBO ever been right?
 

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am

It's always the same **** with the public. Everything is partisan. Nobody makes decisions on their own, The public opinion on the BBB goes like this, and the members are here are no different: 

MAGA : "BBB-good because it's Trump. 
Dims/Libs: " BBB - bad because it's Trump."

That about sums it up ^^^

Here are pros/cons about the bill. Decide for yourself on its own merit instead of looking at the source.

fallout is a side effect...it will depend upon how the economy is doing...
 

Vegas » 03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jul 2025, 11:52 am

It's always the same **** with the public. Everything is partisan. Nobody makes decisions on their own, The public opinion on the BBB goes like this, and the members are here are no different: 

MAGA : "BBB-good because it's Trump. 
Dims/Libs: " BBB - bad because it's Trump."

That about sums it up ^^^

Here are pros/cons about the bill. Decide for yourself on its own merit instead of looking at the source.

Virtually allof the pro's are mainstream democrat politics from the 1980s - labor party stuff. 

The democ rats of 2025 are gonna HATE it.