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Watching an Indy Documentary, I noticed how the rural folks in Turkey were considered quaint for the backwardness. Their primitive and toothless lives were not mocked. Their total lack of education or modern facilities was not demeaned. Etc, etc.

If Americans consider our poor, uneducated primitives, we see them mocked and laughed at.
The similarities are numerous...  

Why are primitives found elsewhere in the world honored and ours disrespected?
 

DeezerShoove » 17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm

Watching an Indy Documentary, I noticed how the rural folks in Turkey were considered quaint for the backwardness. Their primitive and toothless lives were not mocked. Their total lack of education or modern facilities was not demeaned. Etc, etc.

If Americans consider our poor, uneducated primitives, we see them mocked and laughed at.
The similarities are numerous...  

Why are primitives found elsewhere in the world honored and ours disrespected?

Interesting thought

Maybe it's our laws the require compliance in our expectations

I'm just glad that we leave the Amish alone

​​​ Ignorance comes in many forms
 

Mrkelly » 17 Jul 2025, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 6:01 pm

Interesting thought

Maybe it's our laws the require compliance in our expectations

I'm just glad that we leave the Amish alone

​​​ Ignorance comes in many forms

I saw Brother's Keeper a bunch of years ago. 1992-ish documentary.
It was an insight into the townspeople and some old hillbillies relationship.
I won't say more just that it was worth the watch...

DeezerShoove » 17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm

Watching an Indy Documentary, I noticed how the rural folks in Turkey were considered quaint for the backwardness. Their primitive and toothless lives were not mocked. Their total lack of education or modern facilities was not demeaned. Etc, etc.

If Americans consider our poor, uneducated primitives, we see them mocked and laughed at.
The similarities are numerous...  

Why are primitives found elsewhere in the world honored and ours disrespected?

Great observation. I think maybe it's because money is valued as number 1 here.

DeezerShoove » 17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm

Watching an Indy Documentary, I noticed how the rural folks in Turkey were considered quaint for the backwardness. Their primitive and toothless lives were not mocked. Their total lack of education or modern facilities was not demeaned. Etc, etc.

If Americans consider our poor, uneducated primitives, we see them mocked and laughed at.
The similarities are numerous...  

Why are primitives found elsewhere in the world honored and ours disrespected?

It's a great topic. For me, it comes down to reactivity. I was raised in an environment that could turn stupid and dark so quickly it would make your head spin. When I see hillbillies, I see a threat. I see danger. I see that which I worked so very hard to put behind me, to transcend. And that's not to say I was raised amongst hillbillies. I was not. I was raised by and among rednecks. But there's a good bit of overlap. A redneck is essentially a hillbilly whose people moved to flat land and took jobs in mills and such. One step up, in my judgment.

Stupidity is anathema to me. And it's just a fact that the smarter a hillbilly is, the more likely he is to move out of the hills and make something more of himself than a dissolute, semi-employed barbarian (no offense to hillbillies).. 

Then there's the image of the hillbilly in popular culture. Dueling Banjos, anyone? The Hills Have Eyes? Even the Beverly Hillbillies, while all in good fun, made being a hillbilly not cool. Being a hillbilly is not something one aspires to, but something one is born into. "I want to be a hillbilly when I grow up," said no kid ever. 

Then there are the tropes about incest. And as a fellow who travelled a good bit through West Virginia, I can verify that the tropes are based in reality. And there is no lack of evidence - nor are cultural anthropologists in the dark about root causes. The truth is, a lot of hill people got cut off to the point that marrying cousins became necessary. And that's no big deal, really. Until you do it for generations. Then you start throwing idiots and criminals and deranged, idiotic criminals. You get anti-eugenics. And it's ugly. 

I don't think that an aversion to hillbillies is altogether unjustified. Ignorance, poor breeding, a dissolute lifestyle - these things ought to cause aversion, oughtn't they? What would aspiring to LESS than being a hillbilly look like?

I cannot speak for why Turks are not as offput as many Americans are by dirty clothes, poor hygeine, toothlessness, tiny vocabularies, functional illiteracy - your basic hillbilly dark side. I am utterly without a clue what the Turks find quaint or charming about THEIR hillbillies. Never been to Turkey. But ours raise alarm bells in me and put me ill at ease. And these days instead of moonshine the mother **** are getting into meth. There's nothing quaint about a hillbilly meth head. 

And don't take this as picking on hillbillies. Retards and cripples put me off my feed, too. 

At the same time, I hold herbalism and self reliance in very high esteem. I just prefer people who are knowledgable about folk remedies and big on self-reliance to shower regularly and wash their **** clothes - maybe read a **** book from time to time (or at least not call me a bookworm when they catch me at it). I can bend on the grammar. But the hygeine is just always gonna be an issue. Cleanliness is next to godliness, and hillbillies are next to me as little as possible.
 
 

DeezerShoove » 17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 4:46 pm

Watching an Indy Documentary, I noticed how the rural folks in Turkey were considered quaint for the backwardness. Their primitive and toothless lives were not mocked. Their total lack of education or modern facilities was not demeaned. Etc, etc.

If Americans consider our poor, uneducated primitives, we see them mocked and laughed at.
The similarities are numerous...  

Why are primitives found elsewhere in the world honored and ours disrespected?

DEEZER I THINK YOU ARE BEING  MISLED BY RADICAL RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY THEORISTS...........

 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Jul 2025, 11:13 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2025, 11:13 pm

It's a great topic. For me, it comes down to reactivity. I was raised in an environment that could turn stupid and dark so quickly it would make your head spin. When I see hillbillies, I see a threat. I see danger. I see that which I worked so very hard to put behind me, to transcend. And that's not to say I was raised amongst hillbillies. I was not. I was raised by and among rednecks. But there's a good bit of overlap. A redneck is essentially a hillbilly whose people moved to flat land and took jobs in mills and such. One step up, in my judgment.

Stupidity is anathema to me. And it's just a fact that the smarter a hillbilly is, the more likely he is to move out of the hills and make something more of himself than a dissolute, semi-employed barbarian (no offense to hillbillies).. 

Then there's the image of the hillbilly in popular culture. Dueling Banjos, anyone? The Hills Have Eyes? Even the Beverly Hillbillies, while all in good fun, made being a hillbilly not cool. Being a hillbilly is not something one aspires to, but something one is born into. "I want to be a hillbilly when I grow up," said no kid ever. 

Then there are the tropes about incest. And as a fellow who travelled a good bit through West Virginia, I can verify that the tropes are based in reality. And there is no lack of evidence - nor are cultural anthropologists in the dark about root causes. The truth is, a lot of hill people got cut off to the point that marrying cousins became necessary. And that's no big deal, really. Until you do it for generations. Then you start throwing idiots and criminals and deranged, idiotic criminals. You get anti-eugenics. And it's ugly. 

I don't think that an aversion to hillbillies is altogether unjustified. Ignorance, poor breeding, a dissolute lifestyle - these things ought to cause aversion, oughtn't they? What would aspiring to LESS than being a hillbilly look like?

I cannot speak for why Turks are not as offput as many Americans are by dirty clothes, poor hygeine, toothlessness, tiny vocabularies, functional illiteracy - your basic hillbilly dark side. I am utterly without a clue what the Turks find quaint or charming about THEIR hillbillies. Never been to Turkey. But ours raise alarm bells in me and put me ill at ease. And these days instead of moonshine the mother **** are getting into meth. There's nothing quaint about a hillbilly meth head. 

And don't take this as picking on hillbillies. Retards and cripples put me off my feed, too. 

At the same time, I hold herbalism and self reliance in very high esteem. I just prefer people who are knowledgable about folk remedies and big on self-reliance to shower regularly and wash their **** clothes - maybe read a **** book from time to time (or at least not call me a bookworm when they catch me at it). I can bend on the grammar. But the hygeine is just always gonna be an issue. Cleanliness is next to godliness, and hillbillies are next to me as little as possible.

No doubt the generations of inbreeding did nothing good for the image of the hill folk.
It begs the question, based on your notion of hillbilly isolation, are the Hill-Turks less so inclined because they have been surrounded by more people? They are part of a many centuries-old culture set in a continent that has been fully peopled. Our lil guys were living in areas of basically wilderness for generations.
Maybe that's the key point.
The Hill-Turks seemed part of a village. My concept of US Hillbillies leans toward Hatfield/McCoy "Git offen my land!" stuff.
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Appalachia is an acknowledged patch of concern.
https://stateexplora.com/why-is-appalac ... dangerous/
 
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We have an area within our borders (the size of some other countries) that we dismiss and disparage.

 
 

DeezerShoove » 18 Jul 2025, 6:39 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2025, 6:39 am

No doubt the generations of inbreeding did nothing good for the image of the hill folk.
It begs the question, based on your notion of hillbilly isolation, are the Hill-Turks less so inclined because they have been surrounded by more people? They are part of a many centuries-old culture set in a continent that has been fully peopled. Our lil guys were living in areas of basically wilderness for generations.
Maybe that's the key point.
The Hill-Turks seemed part of a village. My concept of US Hillbillies leans toward Hatfield/McCoy "Git offen my land!" stuff.
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Appalachia is an acknowledged patch of concern.
https://stateexplora.com/why-is-appalac ... dangerous/
 
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We have an area within our borders (the size of some other countries) that we dismiss and disparage.

Well, we do that because it's nasty - same reason we disparage Memphrica, Bulletmore, ****, Baton Rougerius, and Deesgroids.

The lead you're burying in this inquiry is this: Why is it okay to roll eyes and ****-talk nasty white people, but we have to blame those SAME "privileged" white people for the plight of the nigra?
 

Appalachian Regional Commission 

https://www.arc.gov/opportunity-zones/



As of 2019 $176,121 per zone is the ave amount allocated.

737 zones = $129,801,177 for 2.8M people.
--->     $46.35 each.
               wow

Too bad they aren't illegals...