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Zeets2 » 17 Aug 2025, 10:22 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 10:22 am

Oh, it's incorrect, is it?
Did you skip over this quote made by the Australian government as they reluctantly accept the fact that they will pay the Trump tariff and deny there will be any in-kind tariff retaliation?:

I saw that as plain as day. And this....Australia will pay tariffs to the US

Australia will pay tariffs to the US starting from April 2025, with a 10% baseline tariff on most imported goods. This includes a 50% tariff on steel and aluminum imports from June 2025. Additionally, a 25% tariff will apply to automobiles, light trucks, and certain automotive parts. The US will also suspend the de mi
 
 
 

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 1:51 pm

I saw that as plain as day. And this....Australia will pay tariffs to the US

Australia will pay tariffs to the US starting from April 2025, with a 10% baseline tariff on most imported goods. This includes a 50% tariff on steel and aluminum imports from June 2025. Additionally, a 25% tariff will apply to automobiles, light trucks, and certain automotive parts. The US will also suspend the de mi

You are misreading poor construction. Google tariffs, educate yourself about how they work.

Importers pay tariffs - not countries. Then they pass the cost to consumers.

No, really. Google it. Learn something today. 
 
 

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 1:51 pm

I saw that as plain as day. And this....Australia will pay tariffs to the US

Australia will pay tariffs to the US starting from April 2025, with a 10% baseline tariff on most imported goods. This includes a 50% tariff on steel and aluminum imports from June 2025. Additionally, a 25% tariff will apply to automobiles, light trucks, and certain automotive parts. The US will also suspend the de mi

@Zeets2  

Here ya go, for you retarded queers.

Plain as day, yopu **** midwit apes:

AI OverviewNo, the nation of Australia will not directly reimburse its producers for the cost of US tariffs
. 
Here's why:

• Who Pays Tariffs: Tariffs are taxes levied by the importing country (in this case, the US) on goods coming from another country. The cost of these tariffs is primarily borne by the importing companies (US businesses) and ultimately passed on to consumers.
• Australia's Response: While the Australian government considers the US tariffs "unwarranted" and harmful to the economy, it has not implemented retaliatory tariffs or direct reimbursement programs for the cost of these tariffs.
• Australian Government's Actions: Instead of directly reimbursing producers for the tariffs, the Australian government is focusing on measures to mitigate the negative impacts and support affected industries. These measures include:
  • Financial support: Providing A$50 million in immediate support for affected sectors and A$1 billion in zero-interest loans through an economic resilience program to help businesses find new markets and invest in new technologies.
  • Market Diversification: Assisting affected industries to explore new export markets and reduce their reliance on the US market.
  • Strengthening Anti-Dumping Laws: Taking steps to protect local industries from unfair competition from other countries.
  • Dispute Resolution: Actively engaging with the US government and considering formal "dispute resolution mechanisms" through the existing Free Trade Agreement with the US (AUSFTA). 

In essence, Australia's approach is not to compensate producers directly for the US tariffs but rather to help them adapt to the new trade environment and find alternative markets and strategies to thrive. 
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Aug 2025, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 1:56 pm

Who Pays Tariffs: Tariffs are taxes levied by the importing country (in this case, the US) on goods coming from another country. The cost of these tariffs is primarily borne by the importing companies (US businesses) and ultimately passed on to consumers.

So what? If I don't like it (price), I will buy USA products. Do you think I need any of Australia's products? No, I don't. So, the "price hike" will not be passed onto me, or MILLIONS of others. See how simple this is?

Australia’s Top 10 ExportsThe following export product groups categorize the highest dollar value in Australian global shipments during 2024. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from Australia.

1. Mineral fuels including oil: US$113.4 billion (32.8% of total exports)
2. Ores, slag, ash: $96.8 billion (28%)
3. Gems, precious metals: $25.7 billion (7.4%)
4. Meat: $14.5 billion (4.2%)
5. Cereals: $8.4 billion (2.4%)
6. Inorganic chemicals: $7.6 billion (2.2%)
7. Machinery including computers: $5.7 billion (1.6%)
8. Aluminum: $4.8 billion (1.4%)
9. Copper: $4.4 billion (1.3%)
10. Electrical machinery, equipment: $4.2 billion (1.2%)

 
 
 

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 2:18 pm

So what?

So that is what the argument you butted into is about, stupid.

That's so what.

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 2:18 pm

If I don't like it (price), I will buy USA products.

If Obama had put a new tax on you, we know your mouth would be spewing a different flavor of ****.

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 2:18 pm

Do you think I need any of Australia's products? No, I don't. So, the "price hike" will not be passed onto me, or MILLIONS of others. See how simple this is?

I see how simple you are. But you probably find yourself quite complex.
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Aug 2025, 2:48 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 2:48 pm

So that is what the argument you butted into is about, stupid.

That's so what.

If Obama had put a new tax on you, we know your mouth would be spewing a different flavor of ****.

I see how simple you are. But you probably find yourself quite complex.

Let this sink in MoFo....

Grocery Prices See Biggest Drop In 5 Years As Trump’s Policies Take EffectGrocery prices fell more in April than they have since 2020, driven by egg prices that saw their biggest drop in more than 40 years.The average price of a dozen Grade A eggs fell by more than 12% during the month, the largest monthly decline since 1984, and the first month-to-month drop since October, according Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data released Tuesday. The price of meats, poultry, and fish fell by 1.6%, while cereal and bakery items fell by 0.5%.
 

Cannonpointer » 16 Aug 2025, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2025, 2:06 pm

That is simply incorrect. Anyone (except you) can read your link and actually understand it. 

Enough, you screeching ***. 

Consumers pay 100% of tariffs.

Go chase squirrels.

Oh, it's "incorrect", is it?  
Well, why don't you show us where the prices of Australian goods has risen to the US consumer since April, moron?
Got any proof or do you expect anyone to believe your lies when you've been proven wrong and have no experience with international trade in your whole useless life?
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Aug 2025, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 1:22 pm

If you're dumb enough to think what you just presented is "evidence" that Australia is paying the tariffs for producers, just keep thinking that, ya gay retard.

What the story says is that Austrlia believes it will pick up customers that the USA loses in the pac rim because of the tariffs. None of what you quoted in any way refutes the clear language of the article, ****.

So tell us, genius. It's been 4 months now since Australia has been absorbing the Trump tariff that began in April.
How many new trade partners have they been able to secure in the last 4 months, according to your idiotic theory that they'll simply find new trade partners to replace the trade they've done with the US for decades?

Can you find one?
 

Zeets2 » 17 Aug 2025, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:12 pm

So tell us, genius. It's been 4 months now since Australia has been absorbing the Trump tariff that began in April.
How many new trade partners have they been able to secure in the last 4 months, according to your idiotic theory that they'll simply find new trade partners to replace the trade they've done with the US for decades?

Can you find one?

**** no he ain't gonna find one. 
 

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:04 pm

Let this sink in MoFo....

Grocery Prices See Biggest Drop In 5 Years As Trump’s Policies Take EffectGrocery prices fell more in April than they have since 2020, driven by egg prices that saw their biggest drop in more than 40 years.The average price of a dozen Grade A eggs fell by more than 12% during the month, the largest monthly decline since 1984, and the first month-to-month drop since October, according Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) data released Tuesday. The price of meats, poultry, and fish fell by 1.6%, while cereal and bakery items fell by 0.5%.

Let THIS sink in, midwit:

Cherry picking one arbitrary month and showing a snapshot is the work of leftists. That is PRECISELY how they work - fun with numbers.

Try really hard to stop being a gay homosexual queer. Just do it - swear off *** cock and try to think like a man. 
 
 

Zeets2 » 17 Aug 2025, 3:05 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:05 pm

Oh, it's "incorrect", is it?  
Well, why don't you show us where the prices of Australian goods has risen to the US consumer since April, moron?
Got any proof or do you expect anyone to believe your lies when you've been proven wrong and have no experience with international trade in your whole useless life?

No more squirrels for you, ***. 

THe article does not say what you thought it said. 

Have the dignity to admit your error and stop with the effeminate screech. 
 

Zeets2 » 17 Aug 2025, 3:12 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:12 pm

Cannonpointer » 17 Aug 2025, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 1:22 pm

If you're dumb enough to think what you just presented is "evidence" that Australia is paying the tariffs for producers, just keep thinking that, ya gay retard.

What the story says is that Austrlia believes it will pick up customers that the USA loses in the pac rim because of the tariffs. None of what you quoted in any way refutes the clear language of the article, ****.

So tell us, genius. It's been 4 months now since Australia has been absorbing the Trump tariff that began in April.
How many new trade partners have they been able to secure in the last 4 months, according to your idiotic theory that they'll simply find new trade partners to replace the trade they've done with the US for decades?

Can you find one?

You've been fact checked. You were wrong. You did not understand your source. Try to have SOME dignity, you **** stooge.

AI OverviewNo, the nation of Australia will not directly reimburse its producers for the cost of US tariffs
.
Here's why:

Who Pays Tariffs: Tariffs are taxes levied by the importing country (in this case, the US) on goods coming from another country. The cost of these tariffs is primarily borne by the importing companies (US businesses) and ultimately passed on to consumers.

Australia's Response: While the Australian government considers the US tariffs "unwarranted" and harmful to the economy, it has not implemented retaliatory tariffs or direct reimbursement programs for the cost of these tariffs.

Australian Government's Actions: Instead of directly reimbursing producers for the tariffs, the Australian government is focusing on measures to mitigate the negative impacts and support affected industries. These measures include:

Financial support: Providing A$50 million in immediate support for affected sectors and A$1 billion in zero-interest loans through an economic resilience program to help businesses find new markets and invest in new technologies.

Market Diversification: Assisting affected industries to explore new export markets and reduce their reliance on the US market.

Strengthening Anti-Dumping Laws: Taking steps to protect local industries from unfair competition from other countries.

Dispute Resolution: Actively engaging with the US government and considering formal "dispute resolution mechanisms" through the existing Free Trade Agreement with the US (AUSFTA).

In essence, Australia's approach is not to compensate producers directly for the US tariffs but rather to help them adapt to the new trade environment and find alternative markets and strategies to thrive.

AI Overview

+7
Australian goods destined for the US market are experiencing increased prices due to recent tariffs imposed by the US government.
Specifically:
Most Australian exports to the US face a 10% baseline tariff.
However, some products are subject to even higher tariffs:
Australian steel and aluminum exports are facing a 50% tariff since June 4, 2025.
Automobiles, light trucks, and certain auto parts are subject to a 25% tariff.
Some copper and copper-containing products also face a 50% tariff, effective August 1, 2025.
This means prices for these Australian goods, especially steel, aluminum, and auto parts, have increased as a result of the tariffs.
It's important to note that the immediate cost of the tariff is borne by the US importer, not the Australian producer. However, importers may then choose to pass this cost on to consumers through higher prices, absorb the cost themselves, or seek alternative suppliers, according to Discovery Alert.
The broader impact on Australia's economy is expected to be relatively small directly, as US exports constitute a relatively small proportion of Australia's overall exports. However, there is a risk of indirect impacts due to potential disruption to global supply chains and slower global growth, especially if the trade disputes expand or intensify
 

Mrkelly » 17 Aug 2025, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:41 pm

AI Overview

+7
Australian goods destined for the US market are experiencing increased prices due to recent tariffs imposed by the US government.
Specifically:
Most Australian exports to the US face a 10% baseline tariff.
However, some products are subject to even higher tariffs:
Australian steel and aluminum exports are facing a 50% tariff since June 4, 2025.
Automobiles, light trucks, and certain auto parts are subject to a 25% tariff.
Some copper and copper-containing products also face a 50% tariff, effective August 1, 2025.
This means prices for these Australian goods, especially steel, aluminum, and auto parts, have increased as a result of the tariffs.
It's important to note that the immediate cost of the tariff is borne by the US importer, not the Australian producer. However, importers may then choose to pass this cost on to consumers through higher prices, absorb the cost themselves, or seek alternative suppliers, according to Discovery Alert.
The broader impact on Australia's economy is expected to be relatively small directly, as US exports constitute a relatively small proportion of Australia's overall exports. However, there is a risk of indirect impacts due to potential disruption to global supply chains and slower global growth, especially if the trade disputes expand or intensify

I challenge anyone on here to tell us what product they are buying from Australia that has increased due to the tariffs, that is breaking the bank and causing poverty for them.   

Mrkelly » 17 Aug 2025, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:41 pm

AI Overview

+7
Australian goods destined for the US market are experiencing increased prices due to recent tariffs imposed by the US government.
Specifically:
Most Australian exports to the US face a 10% baseline tariff.
However, some products are subject to even higher tariffs:
Australian steel and aluminum exports are facing a 50% tariff since June 4, 2025.
Automobiles, light trucks, and certain auto parts are subject to a 25% tariff.
Some copper and copper-containing products also face a 50% tariff, effective August 1, 2025.
This means prices for these Australian goods, especially steel, aluminum, and auto parts, have increased as a result of the tariffs.
It's important to note that the immediate cost of the tariff is borne by the US importer, not the Australian producer. However, importers may then choose to pass this cost on to consumers through higher prices, absorb the cost themselves, or seek alternative suppliers, according to Discovery Alert.
The broader impact on Australia's economy is expected to be relatively small directly, as US exports constitute a relatively small proportion of Australia's overall exports. However, there is a risk of indirect impacts due to potential disruption to global supply chains and slower global growth, especially if the trade disputes expand or intensify

You're up against willful ignorance. 

The one queer - the loud one - insists that the australian government is paying the tariffs. Facts don't matter.
The other queer - the red one - is gonna cosign whatever the loud queer says. 

It's willful ignorance - it has no cure. Ya just have to pity the folks that have to live around these fruitcakes. 
 

MR-7 » 17 Aug 2025, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:54 pm

I challenge anyone on here to tell us what product they are buying from Australia that has increased due to the tariffs, that is breaking the bank and causing poverty for them. 

I challenge you to stay on topic. 

The issue you butted into was who pays the tariff - not whether it drives them into poverty. 

I'm not arguing that I should be setting trade policy. I'm just tired of ignorant **** who think the tariffs are paid by anyone but American consumers. Tariffs are a new tax. A CONSUMPTION tax. 

I was against globalism from JUMP - and you *** called me a comnist for it. While I was arguing for protectionist tariffs, you were all praising and defending and explaining the great benefits of gloablism - because you were monkey-trained. Now it's being reversed, and you're joining the comnist. But at least have the **** dignity to stop lying. And when your arguments are defeated, stop trying to change the subject like a leftist bitch. 

The topic wasn't even about australia, much less which australian products I use. Your fruity friend threw australia into the mix, seeking desperately for a source but incapable of understanding his source. The topic was who pays the **** tariffs. Your boy took it far afield, squirrel after squirrel, landing in australie - and now you are taking it FARTHER afield, trying to make it about which australian products are "causing poverty" for me. 

How would you like me to defend biden's taxes by demanding that you tell me which one is "causing poverty" for you, ya **** flake?

Cannonpointer » 17 Aug 2025, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:25 pm

You've been fact checked. You were wrong. You did not understand your source. Try to have SOME dignity, you **** stooge.

AI OverviewNo, the nation of Australia will not directly reimburse its producers for the cost of US tariffs
.
Here's why:

Who Pays Tariffs: Tariffs are taxes levied by the importing country (in this case, the US) on goods coming from another country. The cost of these tariffs is primarily borne by the importing companies (US businesses) and ultimately passed on to consumers.

Australia's Response: While the Australian government considers the US tariffs "unwarranted" and harmful to the economy, it has not implemented retaliatory tariffs or direct reimbursement programs for the cost of these tariffs.

Australian Government's Actions: Instead of directly reimbursing producers for the tariffs, the Australian government is focusing on measures to mitigate the negative impacts and support affected industries. These measures include:

Financial support: Providing A$50 million in immediate support for affected sectors and A$1 billion in zero-interest loans through an economic resilience program to help businesses find new markets and invest in new technologies.

Market Diversification: Assisting affected industries to explore new export markets and reduce their reliance on the US market.

Strengthening Anti-Dumping Laws: Taking steps to protect local industries from unfair competition from other countries.

Dispute Resolution: Actively engaging with the US government and considering formal "dispute resolution mechanisms" through the existing Free Trade Agreement with the US (AUSFTA).

In essence, Australia's approach is not to compensate producers directly for the US tariffs but rather to help them adapt to the new trade environment and find alternative markets and strategies to thrive.

So where does it say that Australian PRODUCERS will NOT pay the Trump tariffs in order to continue trading with the US, dickhead?
Australia is doing nothing more than what Trump has done in the past, and help the business owners in their country to offset their losses through other means.  Or don't you understand the most simple, basic statement they made, stating "Instead of directly reimbursing producers for the tariffs, the Australian government is focusing on measures to mitigate the negative impacts and support affected industries."  How much clearer can they make it so that a blockhead like you will finally understand it?  
Within all your phony claims, WHERE DO THEY SAY THEY WON'T BE PAYING THE TRUMP TARIFF, you **** imbecile?  That would be a very simple statement to make, wouldn't it?

Time you face the fact of what an economic and political moron you truly are and get help for your TDS infection!

Zeets2 » 18 Aug 2025, 9:07 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 9:07 am

So where does it say that Australian PRODUCERS will NOT pay the Trump tariffs in order to continue trading with the US, dickhead?
Australia is doing nothing more than what Trump has done in the past, and help the business owners in their country to offset their losses through other means.  Or don't you understand the most simple, basic statement they made, stating "Instead of directly reimbursing producers for the tariffs, the Australian government is focusing on measures to mitigate the negative impacts and support affected industries."  How much clearer can they make it so that a blockhead like you will finally understand it?  
Within all your phony claims, WHERE DO THEY SAY THEY WON'T BE PAYING THE TRUMP TARIFF, you **** imbecile?  That would be a very simple statement to make, wouldn't it?

Time you face the fact of what an economic and political moron you truly are and get help for your TDS infection!

Thanks, Zeets2. I for one do appreciate your "factual" posts.  
 

Cannonpointer » 17 Aug 2025, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2025, 3:21 pm

No more squirrels for you, ***. 

THe article does not say what you thought it said. 

Have the dignity to admit your error and stop with the effeminate screech.

Oh, I'd be HAPPY to admit it if you could only provide a simple, singular statement from Australia that states they will NOT BE ABSORBING ANY OF THE TRUMP TARIFF, AND WILL BE ADDING THAT COST TO THE PRODUCTS THEY'RE EXPORTING TO THE US?  All you're able to do is provide some weak assurances about how Australia will try to help their producers mitigate the damage from those new costs put on them, which doesn't affect the new Trump tariffs they'll be paying in any way, shape, or form!  Only YOU think it says anything different, and that makes you either an obvious liar and a phony or a feeble-minded retard!

Why are you SO unable to find that statement or admit your brainless stupidity, you ignorant, lying buffoon?
 

MR-7 » 18 Aug 2025, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

18 Aug 2025, 9:17 am

Thanks, Zeets2. I for one do appreciate your "factual" posts.  

I appreciate the compliment and thank you!