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Cannonpointer » 06 Aug 2025, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2025, 9:13 am

Mexico and Canada are bypassing the US for trade, using Atlantic ports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHAnhMzxc

NAFTA has been gone for five years, replaced by the USMCA.  This year a new deal was cut:The Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA)

Canada, the United States, and Mexico created the largest free trade region in the world, generating economic growth and helping to raise the standard of living for the people of all three member countries.The Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) will serve to reinforce Canada’s strong economic ties with the United States and Mexico.

https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-c ... x?lang=eng
 

DeezerShoove » 07 Aug 2025, 7:15 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 7:15 am

In your NATO can't dance thread, I posted in a vid with an interesting point:
Ukraine (as with any nation) must have settled its border conflicts before admission into NATO.
Ergo, it's in Putin's interest to NOT let the conflict subside.

No ****. It's even MORE in Putin's interest to end the war through all-out victory.

Which is exactly what he will do unless NATO grows a dick and gets on the floor. 

Which leaves China off-leash and growing. 

The western pedophiles are damned if they do and damned if they don't. 

They fell into one of the seven classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." Only slightly LESS famous is this: 

No, wait. That is the actual blunder - the most famous one. Jeez Louise, they really ARE **** retarded. The fell for the MOST famous classic blunder. 
 

*Huey » 07 Aug 2025, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 7:54 am

NAFTA has been gone for five years, replaced by the USMCA.  This year a new deal was cut:The Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA)

Yeah, yeah - already been straightened out on this.

*Huey » 07 Aug 2025, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 7:54 am

Canada, the United States, and Mexico created the largest free trade region in the world, generating economic growth and helping to raise the standard of living for the people of all three member countries.The Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) will serve to reinforce Canada’s strong economic ties with the United States and Mexico.

It's a shame Trump diaper-tantrum is putting that at risk.

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2025, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 9:30 am

No ****. It's even MORE in Putin's interest to end the war through all-out victory.

Which is exactly what he will do unless NATO grows a dick and gets on the floor. 

Which leaves China off-leash and growing. 

The western pedophiles are damned if they do and damned if they don't. 

They fell into one of the seven classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia." Only slightly LESS famous is this: 

No, wait. That is the actual blunder - the most famous one. Jeez Louise, they really ARE **** retarded. The fell for the MOST famous classic blunder.

The view that Putin started the latest "war" because of the NAZI-esque atrocities put to Ukrainians-that-speak-Russian is interesting.
This view maintains he (and his sycophants) merely claim to be "saving people" from their fellow Ukrainians as a pretext to foul the border. This keeps NATO at bay...
Meanwhile, NATO is not seeking more countries (no need to), other countries seek membership. Even Russia did at one time.

Cannonpointer » 06 Aug 2025, 1:40 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2025, 1:40 pm

I've seen that as well. But the issue isn't just the tariffs. The issue that Canada and Mexico and the entire world is dealing with is that in trade, predictability is king over everything. And Trump is less predictable than the weather on the plains. His craziness is **** up markets.

Well, if we believed in YOUR limited economic intelligence, we'd have to also believe that Mexico and Canada wouldn't mind ending all trade with the US, and that kind of ignorance is mind-blowing!
You simply can't understand that if ANY business loses it's largest and wealthiest customer that is nearest to them, that will reak havoc among their suppliers and they will do ANYTHING to avoid having their economy crushed like that!
Is it SO difficult to understand that the US is that largest and wealthiest customer?  And if Mexico and/or Canada lose us as a trade partner that would send their economy spiraling into a major recession very quickly?
Don't try to question the expertise of President Trump in that regard.  Trust me, he knows precisely how these actions will pay out over the next year, and all your second guessing will do is to make you look that much more ignorant when the dust settles, even though that's a position you're well accustomed to being in.
 

DeezerShoove » 07 Aug 2025, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 1:01 pm

The view that Putin started the latest "war" because of the NAZI-esque atrocities put to Ukrainians-that-speak-Russian is interesting.
This view maintains he (and his sycophants) merely claim to be "saving people" from their fellow Ukrainians as a pretext to foul the border. This keeps NATO at bay...
Meanwhile, NATO is not seeking more countries (no need to), other countries seek membership. Even Russia did at one time.

1. Putin is not in Coupkraine because of their treatment of his slavic brethren. He could have stood them up, likely - sent in "advisers", provided them with weapons and intel, that sort of thing. It is ONE of the pushes. But it is nothing compared to Coupkraine trying to join NATO.

2. Whoyafoolin? If Coupkraine "wanted" to join NATO - which violates its constitution and makes it THE battleground in the event of war between NATO and Russia, replacing Romania and Poland for that oh-so-salubrious distinction, - then the west would not have needed to PULL A **** COUP AND PEOPLE THE COUP GOVERNMENT WITH ITS AGENTS in order to get that "request." 

This is not hard. The west has always hated that Russia has 11 time zones. It has always slobbered over Russia's treasure. It is using Coupkraine as a battering ram against Russia. The west believed with all its might and main that between Coupkraine's steady advance using NATO weapons and the sanctions it would deploy to destroy Russia's economy, the Russian people would turn on Putin's government and they could get their NGOs back on the ground doing what they do - destabilizing and setting up coups, sabotaging the economies of their hosts. 

And the west had good cause to believe this. It had taken a trial run in Georgia (less than 4 million) to get Russia's measure. Through their NGOs, they had effected a coup in late 2003. Within five years, they had the Georgians talking that NATO talk and killing ethnic minority separatists that didn't go along with the coup government. It was a mini-Coupkraine, authored by the same NGO players. And whereas Russia won the conflict handily (as no one doubted would be the outcome), it suffered more casualties than it ought to have, and was humiliated on a number of occasions. Russia's air power, equipment, command and control, and logistics were exposed as very inadequate and third world. That war cost Russia serious face on the global stage.

So the west was emboldened. It had Russia's measure. And with typical western entitlement and hubris, the pedophilic scum that run the west assumed that Russia was a static phenomenon. Within six years, the west had effected an identical coup in Coupkraine, causing idential outcomes: the systematic oppression of ethnic minority refuseniks on Russia's border - and THIS time, ethnic Russians, which put the Russian people behind their leader. 

The truth is, if the west had gone with Coupkraine FIRST, Putin would probably be dead, and Russia would be about seven different servile states right now - all kowtowing to the west. But the dumb asses just HAD to take a test run, and that test run was the greatest gift that Russia ever got from the collective west. 

The rest of the story is right in your face. There's a panty dancing orange queer pretending to be too stupid to stop the war and trying to blame Putin for its continuation. The same queer is systematically turning the whole world agin us. Every time he flaps his facial vadge, BRICS gets new applications. And the Russians continue to depopulate and deindustrialize Coupkraine. 

The motive is money. It's always money. And Coupkraine NEVER had money. And Russia does not profit from war, as elites in the west do. So who started it and who keeps it going isn't hard to determine. Once you agree the motive is money, you're stuck with the west as the instigator. 

 
 

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm

Well, if we believed in YOUR limited economic intelligence, we'd have to also believe that Mexico and Canada wouldn't mind ending all trade with the US, and that kind of ignorance is mind-blowing!

Is that what you took from my post? That kind of ignorance is mind-blowing!

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm

You simply can't understand that if ANY business loses it's largest and wealthiest customer that is nearest to them, that will reak havoc among their suppliers and they will do ANYTHING to avoid having their economy crushed like that!

No ****. And they will PERFORCE develop contingency plans, as well - because they are not retarded.

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm

Is it SO difficult to understand that the US is that largest and wealthiest customer?  And if Mexico and/or Canada lose us as a trade partner that would send their economy spiraling into a major recession very quickly?

No.

Is it difficult for YOU to understand that if their biggest and richest customer becomes unreliable, they have a self-defense DUTY to develop contingency plans?

Zeets2 » 07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 2:01 pm

Don't try to question the expertise of President Trump in that regard.  Trust me, he knows precisely how these actions will pay out over the next year, and all your second guessing will do is to make you look that much more ignorant when the dust settles, even though that's a position you're well accustomed to being in.

Okay,Unc. Can I still second guess him on dropping bombs or his failure in Coupkraine or on protecting pedophiles?

Pretty please?
 
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2025, 2:55 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 2:55 pm

1. Putin is not in Coupkraine because of their treatment of his slavic brethren. He could have stood them up, likely - sent in "advisers", provided them with weapons and intel, that sort of thing. It is ONE of the pushes. But it is nothing compared to Coupkraine trying to join NATO.

2. Whoyafoolin? If Coupkraine "wanted" to join NATO - which violates its constitution and makes it THE battleground in the event of war between NATO and Russia, replacing Romania and Poland for that oh-so-salubrious distinction, - then the west would not have needed to PULL A **** COUP AND PEOPLE THE COUP GOVERNMENT WITH ITS AGENTS in order to get that "request." 

This is not hard. The west has always hated that Russia has 11 time zones. It has always slobbered over Russia's treasure. It is using Coupkraine as a battering ram against Russia. The west believed with all its might and main that between Coupkraine's steady advance using NATO weapons and the sanctions it would deploy to destroy Russia's economy, the Russian people would turn on Putin's government and they could get their NGOs back on the ground doing what they do - destabilizing and setting up coups, sabotaging the economies of their hosts. 

And the west had good cause to believe this. It had taken a trial run in Georgia (less than 4 million) to get Russia's measure. Through their NGOs, they had effected a coup in late 2003. Within five years, they had the Georgians talking that NATO talk and killing ethnic minority separatists that didn't go along with the coup government. It was a mini-Coupkraine, authored by the same NGO players. And whereas Russia won the conflict handily (as no one doubted would be the outcome), it suffered more casualties than it ought to have, and was humiliated on a number of occasions. Russia's air power, equipment, command and control, and logistics were exposed as very inadequate and third world. That war cost Russia serious face on the global stage.

So the west was emboldened. It had Russia's measure. And with typical western entitlement and hubris, the pedophilic scum that run the west assumed that Russia was a static phenomenon. Within six years, the west had effected an identical coup in Coupkraine, causing idential outcomes: the systematic oppression of ethnic minority refuseniks on Russia's border - and THIS time, ethnic Russians, which put the Russian people behind their leader. 

The truth is, if the west had gone with Coupkraine FIRST, Putin would probably be dead, and Russia would be about seven different servile states right now - all kowtowing to the west. But the dumb asses just HAD to take a test run, and that test run was the greatest gift that Russia ever got from the collective west. 

The rest of the story is right in your face. There's a panty dancing orange queer pretending to be too stupid to stop the war and trying to blame Putin for its continuation. The same queer is systematically turning the whole world agin us. Every time he flaps his facial vadge, BRICS gets new applications. And the Russians continue to depopulate and deindustrialize Coupkraine. 

The motive is money. It's always money. And Coupkraine NEVER had money. And Russia does not profit from war, as elites in the west do. So who started it and who keeps it going isn't hard to determine. Once you agree the motive is money, you're stuck with the west as the instigator.

Oh, I get it. A coup plants the folks in the right places.
So, Putin gets forced to play that hand whether he likes it or not.
The storyline I was re-telling still fits with Putins actions.

I am amazed at the way various people paint with a broad brush the color of their choosing.
Putin's playing that same game. They're all using paint so to speak.

I firmly believe China is well in this game.
Don't hear much about the sneaky yellow bastards.  

DeezerShoove » 07 Aug 2025, 5:32 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 5:32 pm

Oh, I get it. A coup plants the folks in the right places.
So, Putin gets forced to play that hand whether he likes it or not.
The storyline I was re-telling still fits with Putins actions.

I am amazed at the way various people paint with a broad brush the color of their choosing.
Putin's playing that same game. They're all using paint so to speak.

I firmly believe China is well in this game.
Don't hear much about the sneaky yellow bastards.

This.

And believe me, he DOES NOT like it. He has ambitions for his country. He is without question the father of modern Russia. He inherited a broken nuclear kleptocracy and turned it into a sovereign state to be reckoned with. There will be statuary - lots of it. Cities and hamlets will take his name. The nation's class rooms will be overrun with Vladimir Vladimiroviches for decades. There is already a vodka named Putinka. So, the man has a legacy. And he has ideas of what he wants that legacy to be. Killing his fellow slavs next door at the behest of DC is low on the list of things he wants to be remembered for. 

Cannonpointer » 07 Aug 2025, 3:39 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Aug 2025, 3:39 pm

Is that what you took from my post? That kind of ignorance is mind-blowing!

No ****. And they will PERFORCE develop contingency plans, as well - because they are not retarded.

No.

Is it difficult for YOU to understand that if their biggest and richest customer becomes unreliable, they have a self-defense DUTY to develop contingency plans?

Okay,Unc. Can I still second guess him on dropping bombs or his failure in Coupkraine or on protecting pedophiles?

Pretty please?

Sure you can!  
Fortunately for you, there is no law against being so ignorant or you'd be facing real problems!

Now that I've stopped laughing at your stupidity, why don't you tell me where Mexico and Canada can go in order to "develop contingency plans" after they've lost access to their largest and wealthiest market in the world which also happens to be their next-door neighbors?  WHERE ON EARTH CAN THEY GO TO REPLACE THAT CUSTOMER, you **** moron?  CHINA ALONE HAS LOST 65% of the sales they provided to the US IN JUST THE FIRST 3 MONTHS THIS YEAR!  Then May came along and China LOST ANOTHER 34.5% of the sales we gave them, while the US is reaping over $150 BILLION in new revenue from the Trump tariffs this year! 
 
So tell me, genius.  Where should China go to make up that kind of drop in sales in your "contingency plans"?  Have you shared your wisdom with China in that regard?      
 

Zeets2 » 08 Aug 2025, 11:05 am » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 11:05 am

Sure you can!  
Fortunately for you, there is no law against being so ignorant or you'd be facing real problems!

Now that I've stopped laughing at your stupidity, why don't you tell me where Mexico and Canada can go in order to "develop contingency plans" after they've lost access to their largest and wealthiest market in the world which also happens to be their next-door neighbors?  WHERE ON EARTH CAN THEY GO TO REPLACE THAT CUSTOMER, you **** moron?  CHINA ALONE HAS LOST 65% of the sales they provided to the US IN JUST THE FIRST 3 MONTHS THIS YEAR!  Then May came along and China LOST ANOTHER 34.5% of the sales we gave them, while the US is reaping over $150 BILLION in new revenue from the Trump tariffs this year!    

From where? 

Reaping it from where?

Where is that 150 Billion comming from? Whose pockets?

Cannonpointer » 08 Aug 2025, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 5:22 pm

From where? 

Reaping it from where?

Where is that 150 Billion comming from? Whose pockets?

It's coming from several different sources.  Some international corporations like GM, Walmart, and Nike are absorbing those tariffs in foreign countries.  China has also devalued their Yuan in order to lower prices and make up for the tariff that they've absorbed.  And yes, some countries have passed those tariff costs on to their customers right now.  But you have no idea if that will continue in the future as they see the size of the market share in the US that they've lost by doing so.  You can expect most countries to reevaluate how they'll pay for that tariff over the next year.

But dopes like you don't want to wait that long when you can criticize Trump for it right now, even if their economic philosophy changes in the coming months as they result in huge reductions of their sales, and they change their policy accordingly.

So go ahead and make your idiotic predictions now, as if you're the genius who knows how the tariffs will all shake out.  What we DO know right now is that the US has gained hundreds of billions in new revenue as a result, and that will only grow as more and more countries finalize new deals with Trump.

And you Trump haters can't stand that!
 

Zeets2 » 10 Aug 2025, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 10:59 am

It's coming from several different sources.  Some international corporations like GM, Walmart, and Nike are absorbing those tariffs in foreign countries. 

So it's a tax on corporations. Not a tax on Chyna. 

Got it. 

Who pays taxes on corporations ultimately - according to your dogma, **** breath?

Zeets2 » 10 Aug 2025, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 10:59 am

And yes, some countries have passed those tariff costs on to their customers right now.  But you have no idea if that will continue in the future as they see the size of the market share in the US that they've lost by doing so.  You can expect most countries to reevaluate how they'll pay for that tariff over the next year.

The importer pays the tariff. Everything else you have to say merely shows your ignorance.

The importer - corporations - either pass the cost along, as you have ALWAYS INSISTED BEFORE IT BECAME INCO0NVENIENT, or else they EAT IT.

The country being tariffed pays nothing.

You are stupid, child. You were DEFINITELY never in business.

Zeets2 » 10 Aug 2025, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 10:59 am

What we DO know right now is that the US has gained hundreds of billions in new revenue as a result, 

From US consumers.

And, according to you, from corporations - even though you have sworn up and down and called people idiots for disagreeing, that corporations ALWAYS pass taxes onto consumers. 

Even taxes that they CAN'T pass on to consumers.       

You speak out of two sides of your penis vault. 

Cannonpointer » 10 Aug 2025, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 2:53 pm

From US consumers.

And, according to you, from corporations - even though you have sworn up and down and called people idiots for disagreeing, that corporations ALWAYS pass taxes onto consumers. 

Even taxes that they CAN'T pass on to consumers.       

You speak out of two sides of your penis vault.

Not surprisingly, on top of being a total economic ignoramus, you're a lying scumbag too!
SHOW ME WHERE I'VE EVER SAID that corporations ALWAYS pass taxes onto the consumer.

Once again, you've shown you know NOTHING about what a business does when hit with new costs.  The fact is that a business WILL ALWAYS explore EVERY option when considering how to respond to keep them profitable.  And many times, they WILL raise their prices IF THE COMPETITION BEARS IT!  You've got a simple one dimensional response that you think applies to every business and it's too much for your tiny brain to understand the many options open to most business owners like myself.  I've raised my prices many times when costs increase, particularly when taxes are raised.  But I've also taken other actions to improve my bottom line by cutting costs, reducing inventory, laying off workers, cutting overtime, investing in new equipment to speed production, and even to eliminate using other services that I've previously needed to purchase from other suppliers.  I've built my own photography studio in factory to show my product line, bought the equipment of a bookbinder to make my own sample books in-house, bought the building I previously rented, and even constructed my own dye house that saved me time and money from relying on other sources.  When Obamacare was forced on businesses, I refused to upgrade the health insurance plan I gave to my employees because Obama insisted that I include abortion coverage in my policy or it wouldn't be tax deductible to my company.  So I cancelled the plan and saved roughly $80,000 a year by doing so and told my employees to go on Obamacare and I told them why. 

So stop pretending you have the intelligence and the experience to debate me regarding the economic strategies that a business owner takes to remain profitable.  You have about as much knowledge in that area as your fellow buffoon BV, who actually thinks he has a clue about what it takes for a business to succeed.  And I don't mind telling you that thanks to the booming Trump economy, I've decided to come out of retirement and have partnered with a previous business associate in starting up another new business.  That makes it an even half-dozen companies I've owned or co-owned in my career, while a ignorant dolt like you does nothing but lip diddle with one hand and stroke your micro penis with the other while watching the parade of Trump's strong economy pass you by as others far smarter than you thrive.

 

Zeets2 » 11 Aug 2025, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2025, 11:55 am

Not surprisingly, on top of being a total economic ignoramus, you're a lying scumbag too!
SHOW ME WHERE I'VE EVER SAID that corporations ALWAYS pass taxes onto the consumer.
 

Zombie, being called an economic ignoramus by a guy who believed that other countries pay the tariffs is not an insult - it's a joke. 

You are denying, then, that you have always held that raising taxes on corporations only raises prices, because they pass the costs on?

Okay, good. I've made you lie. I own you, bitch.
 

Cannonpointer » 11 Aug 2025, 6:40 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2025, 6:40 pm

Zombie, being called an economic ignoramus by a guy who believed that other countries pay the tariffs is not an insult - it's a joke. 

You are denying, then, that you have always held that raising taxes on corporations only raises prices, because they pass the costs on?

Okay, good. I've made you lie. I own you, bitch.

Well then, permit me to shove these facts up your dumb ***, proving YOU to be the liar!  Either that, or you're too ignorant to understand the economic realities of the world.

Ever hear of a country called Australia, nitwit?:

Australia ready to absorb the impact of tariffs imposed by Trump, prime minister
By AFP, 8 April 2025

Australia is ready to absorb the impact of tariffs decided by U.S. President Donald Trump, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said Tuesday. These U.S. taxes are an 'act of economic self-destruction' but 'no country is better prepared' to face this challenge than Australia because it will be able to seize trade opportunities in the Asia-Pacific region, Albanese, 62, who heads the center-left Labor Party, said in Sydney.

How about Home Depot, nitwit?  Ever hear of them?:

Home Depot doesn't plan to raise prices due to tariffs. But some items may disappear
May 20, 2025  Alina Selyukh

John Raoux/APHome Depot doesn't plan to raise prices broadly as a result of new tariffs, executives said on Tuesday, but some product options may disappear from store shelves if extra import costs make them not worth it.

Need more proof, stupid?:

SW Ontario ice-cream maker cheered for Trump tariff approach: 'Canadian-first'
By Postmedia News  Mar 10, 2025

Chapman’s Ice Cream, the largest independent ice cream manufacturer in the country, is vowing not to increase prices for customers for the remainder of 2025 as U.S. President Donald Trump’s trade war with Canada threatens to drive up the cost of American-made ingredients. “As a family we have decided to absorb all immediate increases in our costs due to the Trump tariffs for the rest of the year to maintain our prices,” Chapman’s chief operating officer Ashley Chapman said in a statement on social media.

And those are just the initial few who aren't about to wait for the crash in sales they'll be receiving in the near future.  What do you think those countries will do with the thousands of tons of goods that are no longer sold after they've raised their prices because of Trump's tariffs?  
 
Care to impart your wisdom as to why our level of imports is being slashed every month?  Think those countries won't alter their philosophy on prices once they see a few months of dwindling sales?:

Tariffs prompt record plunge in US imports
5 June 2025  Natalie Sherman  BBC News

Goods brought into the US plunged by 20% in April, recording their largest ever monthly drop in the face of a wave of tariffs unleashed by President Trump. The retreat reflects the abrupt hit to trade, after firms had rushed products into the country earlier this year to try to get ahead of new taxes on imports Trump had promised.US purchases from major trade partners such as Canada and China fell to their lowest levels since 2021 and 2020 respectively, the Commerce Department said.

Now, take my shoe from out of your ignorant *** and acknowledge the fact that you have nothing more than a 3rd grade economic mentality, even after getting your dumb *** handed to you day after day with the facts that you're too ignorant to learn for yourself!

 
 

Cannonpointer » 06 Aug 2025, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2025, 9:13 am

Mexico and Canada are bypassing the US for trade, using Atlantic ports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHAnhMzxc

Typical symbolism over substance move.

Cannonpointer » 06 Aug 2025, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

06 Aug 2025, 9:13 am

Mexico and Canada are bypassing the US for trade, using Atlantic ports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAAHAnhMzxc

Both countries are run by leftists.  Who knows...maybe Canada and Mexico will become the 51st and 52nd US states after the left has ruined them.