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I don't always stay cool. But when I do math helps.

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Is this an accurate argument... Humanity burns 1.47 trillion gallons of liquid hydrocarbons a year. That's 181 gallons each for 8.1 Billion souls. It sounds a reasonable number. A gallon of gasoline weighs 6.8 lbs. When combusted 20 lbs of CO2 is produced, 1.47 trillion gal/yr*20 lbs co2/gal = 29.4 trillion pounds of CO2/yr. -13.3 Gigatons Volcanoes make 1 GT a year on an active year. Forest Fires make 2 GT a year. Anyone who denies anthropogenic effects on climate is a fool. There would be no Oxygen in the air if photosynthesis by plant life hadn't occured. Humans are changing the balance. We crossed 400 PPM CO2 in the atmosphere in 2010 after Mother Nature had it regulated to under that for 800,000 years. Today we are at 430 ppm and climbing, we increased 30ppm in 15 years. CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, more of it in the air, more heat absorption. The industrial revolution coincided with the increased slope.
Yes, this argument is broadly accurate and well-supported by current scientific understanding. Let’s break it down and assess each claim:

Hydrocarbon Combustion and CO₂ Emissions
Claim: Humanity burns 1.47 trillion gallons of liquid hydrocarbons annually.

Reasonable estimate. Global liquid fuel consumption in 2025 is projected to be around 104.6 million barrels per day, which translates to roughly 1.6 trillion gallons per year2.

Claim: Each gallon of gasoline produces ~20 lbs of CO₂.

Accurate. The U.S. EPA confirms that burning one gallon of gasoline emits ~19.6 to 20 lbs of CO₂, factoring in the oxygen from the air4.

Claim: 1.47 trillion gallons × 20 lbs = 29.4 trillion lbs CO₂/year (~13.3 gigatons).

Correct math. This aligns with global fossil fuel CO₂ emissions, which are estimated at ~37 gigatons/year, including all sources. Liquid fuels alone contribute a significant portion.

Natural vs. Human CO₂ Emissions
Claim: Volcanoes emit ~1 GT CO₂/year; forest fires ~2 GT/year.

Supported. Volcanic emissions are estimated at 0.3–0.6 GT/year, with some studies suggesting up to 1 GT in active years7. Wildfires emitted ~1.8 GT in 2021, and recent years have seen even higher totals due to boreal forest fires9.

Conclusion: Human emissions vastly exceed natural sources like volcanoes and fires.

Photosynthesis and Atmospheric Oxygen
Claim: No oxygen without photosynthesis.

Fundamental truth. Earth’s oxygen-rich atmosphere is a direct result of billions of years of photosynthetic activity by plants and cyanobacteria.

CO₂ Concentration Trends
Claim: CO₂ crossed 400 ppm in 2010; now at 430 ppm in 2025.

Accurate. CO₂ surpassed 400 ppm in 2013, and as of 2025, global average levels are ~427–430 ppm, rising at ~2.5–3 ppm/year12.

Claim: CO₂ was stable under 400 ppm for 800,000 years.

Confirmed by ice core data. CO₂ fluctuated between 180–300 ppm during glacial cycles, never exceeding 300 ppm until the industrial era.

CO₂ and Infrared Absorption
Claim: CO₂ absorbs infrared radiation, increasing heat retention.

Core principle of the greenhouse effect. CO₂ molecules absorb and re-emit infrared radiation, trapping heat in the atmosphere15.

Industrial Revolution and CO₂ Spike
Claim: The industrial revolution coincided with the sharp rise in CO₂.

Historically accurate. CO₂ levels began rising rapidly around 1750, in tandem with fossil fuel use.

Final Statement: “Anyone who denies anthropogenic effects on climate is a fool.”
While emotionally charged, the scientific consensus is clear: human activities are the dominant driver of recent climate change. The IPCC, NOAA, NASA, and countless peer-reviewed studies support this conclusion.
 

If we are going to engage in perversion of diversion and distraction from the action I am entitled as the next doom azz on this rag

JohnnyYou » 08 Aug 2025, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 4:59 pm

If we are going to engage in perversion of diversion and distraction from the action I am entitled as the next doom azz on this rag

How does 7 pounds become 20 pounds when burned?

TwoIfByTea » 08 Aug 2025, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 6:09 pm

How does 7 pounds become 20 pounds when burned?

The oxygen in the atmoosphere combines with the carbon in the gasoline.

Water vapor is also a product of the chemical reaction.

It's basic organic chemistry.   Do I need to elaborate more?

You could just ask Sole's Girlfriend.

She might know what happpens when octane combines with O2
 
Combustion could be spontaneous..  I don't smoke around the vapors.

 

I do not make shyt up @Two If By Tea  

Things are complicated enough.

Humanity pours 35GT a year in to the atmosphere

Mother nature handled 1 GT of Volcano and 2 GT of Forest Fires for 800,000 years

40,000 PPM CO2 We're dead.    Thoughts on Capital Punishment?

JohnnyYou » 08 Aug 2025, 4:58 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 4:58 pm

I don't always stay cool. But when I do math helps.

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Is this an accurate argument... Humanity burns 1.47 trillion gallons of liquid hydrocarbons a year. That's 181 gallons each for 8.1 Billion souls. It sounds a reasonable number. A gallon of gasoline weighs 6.8 lbs. When combusted 20 lbs of CO2 is produced, 1.47 trillion gal/yr*20 lbs co2/gal = 29.4 trillion pounds of CO2/yr. -13.3 Gigatons Volcanoes make 1 GT a year on an active year. Forest Fires make 2 GT a year. Anyone who denies anthropogenic effects on climate is a fool. There would be no Oxygen in the air if photosynthesis by plant life hadn't occured. Humans are changing the balance. We crossed 400 PPM CO2 in the atmosphere in 2010 after Mother Nature had it regulated to under that for 800,000 years. Today we are at 430 ppm and climbing, we increased 30ppm in 15 years. CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, more of it in the air, more heat absorption. The industrial revolution coincided with the increased slope.
Yes, this argument is broadly accurate and well-supported by current scientific understanding. Let’s break it down and assess each claim:

Hydrocarbon Combustion and CO₂ Emissions
Claim: Humanity burns 1.47 trillion gallons of liquid hydrocarbons annually.

Reasonable estimate. Global liquid fuel consumption in 2025 is projected to be around 104.6 million barrels per day, which translates to roughly 1.6 trillion gallons per year2.

Claim: Each gallon of gasoline produces ~20 lbs of CO₂.

Accurate. The U.S. EPA confirms that burning one gallon of gasoline emits ~19.6 to 20 lbs of CO₂, factoring in the oxygen from the air4.

Claim: 1.47 trillion gallons × 20 lbs = 29.4 trillion lbs CO₂/year (~13.3 gigatons).

Correct math. This aligns with global fossil fuel CO₂ emissions, which are estimated at ~37 gigatons/year, including all sources. Liquid fuels alone contribute a significant portion.

Natural vs. Human CO₂ Emissions
Claim: Volcanoes emit ~1 GT CO₂/year; forest fires ~2 GT/year.

Supported. Volcanic emissions are estimated at 0.3–0.6 GT/year, with some studies suggesting up to 1 GT in active years7. Wildfires emitted ~1.8 GT in 2021, and recent years have seen even higher totals due to boreal forest fires9.

Conclusion: Human emissions vastly exceed natural sources like volcanoes and fires.

Photosynthesis and Atmospheric Oxygen
Claim: No oxygen without photosynthesis.

Fundamental truth. Earth’s oxygen-rich atmosphere is a direct result of billions of years of photosynthetic activity by plants and cyanobacteria.

CO₂ Concentration Trends
Claim: CO₂ crossed 400 ppm in 2010; now at 430 ppm in 2025.

Accurate. CO₂ surpassed 400 ppm in 2013, and as of 2025, global average levels are ~427–430 ppm, rising at ~2.5–3 ppm/year12.

Claim: CO₂ was stable under 400 ppm for 800,000 years.

Confirmed by ice core data. CO₂ fluctuated between 180–300 ppm during glacial cycles, never exceeding 300 ppm until the industrial era.

CO₂ and Infrared Absorption
Claim: CO₂ absorbs infrared radiation, increasing heat retention.

Core principle of the greenhouse effect. CO₂ molecules absorb and re-emit infrared radiation, trapping heat in the atmosphere15.

Industrial Revolution and CO₂ Spike
Claim: The industrial revolution coincided with the sharp rise in CO₂.

Historically accurate. CO₂ levels began rising rapidly around 1750, in tandem with fossil fuel use.

Final Statement: “Anyone who denies anthropogenic effects on climate is a fool.”
While emotionally charged, the scientific consensus is clear: human activities are the dominant driver of recent climate change. The IPCC, NOAA, NASA, and countless peer-reviewed studies support this conclusion.

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ROG62 » 08 Aug 2025, 6:34 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 6:34 pm

livescience /44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html
nov79 /gbwm/gbwm.html

I can't link so why should I click yours?

Are you part reptilian?  Sure the dinosaurs liked it hot.  Humans might adapt but it won't come easy.

Are you a flat earther that thinks we coexisted at some point?
 

JohnnyYou » 09 Aug 2025, 6:11 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 6:11 am

1) I can't link so why should I click yours?

2) Are you part reptilian?  Sure the dinosaurs liked it hot.  Humans might adapt but it won't come easy.

3) Are you a flat earther that thinks we coexisted at some point?

1) to educate yourself...

2) it shows the world thrived...

3) *sighs*

ROG62 » 09 Aug 2025, 6:45 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 6:45 am

1) to educate yourself...

Nobody reads mine either

3) *sighs*

Bridge of...

TwoIfByTea » 08 Aug 2025, 6:09 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 6:09 pm

How does 7 pounds become 20 pounds when burned?

LOL...how dare you question his religion

nefarious101 » 09 Aug 2025, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 1:56 pm

LOL...how dare you question his religion

I have Graduated from Organic Chemistry

Have you ever siphoned Octane and got a mouthful?

C8H18 + 13-O2 =>    8-C02  + 9-H20 + a radical Oprah??

Mols for the Trolls yahoo. Time to combust some weed!!!! THCa doesn't get you high when ingested but burn it and you fly! Gas Stations can sell the bud. It is  a loophole that makes Nancy Reagan Twist One Up and Shout in her grave.

It's been 40 years or more. It should balance.  maybe the 13 is supposed to be 12.5. Free radicals are all over the equations in the juice.

I do so much prefer science over the Christian Liars.

 
 

JohnnyYou » 08 Aug 2025, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2025, 6:32 pm

I do not make shyt up @Two If By Tea  

Things are complicated enough.

Humanity pours 35GT a year in to the atmosphere

Mother nature handled 1 GT of Volcano and 2 GT of Forest Fires for 800,000 years

40,000 PPM CO2 We're dead.    Thoughts on Capital Punishment?

Is this thread therapy? Your chosen profession contributes 3-10% of all green house gases.
 

JohnnyYou » 09 Aug 2025, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 11:26 am

Nobody reads mine either

Bridge of...

It's on you....

ROG62 » 09 Aug 2025, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 4:07 pm

It's on you....

Boom Boom Shaka Laka Laka Boom

Everbody Walk the Bidensaur..    and Thrive Alive!

youtube /watch?v=zYKupOsaJmk


Humans burn dinosaurs in their ICE's

JohnnyYou » 09 Aug 2025, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 3:02 pm

I have Graduated from Organic Chemistry

Have you ever siphoned Octane and got a mouthful?

C8H18 + 13-O2 =>    8-C02  + 9-H20 + a radical Oprah??

Mols for the Trolls yahoo. Time to combust some weed!!!! THCa doesn't get you high when ingested but burn it and you fly! Gas Stations can sell the bud. It is  a loophole that makes Nancy Reagan Twist One Up and Shout in her grave.

It's been 40 years or more. It should balance.  maybe the 13 is supposed to be 12.5. Free radicals are all over the equations in the juice.

I do so much prefer science over the Christian Liars.

But do Christians prefer you?...evidently you don't realize it's a two way street

JohnnyYou » 09 Aug 2025, 4:18 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 4:18 pm

Boom Boom Shaka Laka Laka Boom

Everbody Walk the Bidensaur..    and Thrive Alive!

youtube /watch?v=zYKupOsaJmk

Humans burn dinosaurs in their ICE's

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ROG62 » 09 Aug 2025, 5:19 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 5:19 pm

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Good to see you got your internal combustion engine working again..   It still looks like your colonoscopy to me ROG.