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*Beekeeper » 10 Aug 2025, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 11:57 am

In order for Kaplan to say that he would have had to overturn the NO RAPE finding. And he didn't overturn the verdict to do that.

And in his OWN RULING on the appeal, he SAID, there was NO FINDING OF RAPE by the jury.

It must be difficult for you to comprehend that these are the facts. Ones you have NO STANDING to dispute.

Now, you are DISMISSED. TOTALLY!!

In order for Kaplan to say that he would have had to overturn the NO RAPE finding.

No.

There was no "NO RAPE" finding.

And in his OWN RULING on the appeal, he SAID, there was NO FINDING OF RAPE by the jury.

In rejecting 5eam Grifty's petition he explicitly rejects the "no rape" assertion.

His logic has been upheld at the state and federal level.

Making the statement "The Jury’s verdict has been upheld" a fact...but not YOUR version of the Jury’s verdict...Judge Kaplan's version.

Nod.

*Beekeeper » 10 Aug 2025, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 11:57 am

Blackvegetable » 10 Aug 2025, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 11:40 am

Because what WAS proven is broadly accepted as rape, the jury awarded 2 million.

In order for Kaplan to say that he would have had to overturn the NO RAPE finding. And he didn't overturn the verdict to do that.

And in his OWN RULING on the appeal, he SAID, there was NO FINDING OF RAPE by the jury.

It must be difficult for you to comprehend that these are the facts. Ones you have NO STANDING to dispute.

Now, you are DISMISSED. TOTALLY!!

 

He knows what the facts are.  The problem is he can never be wrong in his mind. He really thinks he is superior to us so that means he can never admit to being wrong in front of us.  It is the same issue with the semi auto sports rifles.  He knows damn well he is wrong but for 8 years now refuses to admit it.

*Huey » Today, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 12:11 pm

He knows what the facts are.  The problem is he can never be wrong in his mind. He really thinks he is superior to us so that means he can never admit to being wrong in front of us.  It is the same issue with the semi auto sports rifles.  He knows damn well he is wrong but for 8 years now refuses to admit it.

The facts are as follows.

The jury’s verdict was in favor of the Plaintiff in the amount of $2 million.

Respondent appealed the amount of the award, arguing that it was excessive given that the jury - in the course of a special verdict process - did not conclude that Respondent had penetrated the Plaintiff with his penis.

The Judge rejected that argument, in upholding the original verdict.

Judge Kaplan has been upheld at every level.



 

Blackvegetable » 10 Aug 2025, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 2:11 pm

The facts are as follows.

The jury’s verdict was in favor of the Plaintiff in the amount of $2 million.

Respondent appealed the amount of the award, arguing that it was excessive given that the jury - in the course of a special verdict process - did not conclude that Respondent had penetrated the Plaintiff with his penis.

The Judge rejected that argument, in upholding the original verdict.

Judge Kaplan has been upheld at every level.

Kaplan is a **** pos, Carroll is a lying pos, sad she couldn't even give the date that this may have happened.... Trump was NEVER convicted of rape.

Blackvegetable » 09 Aug 2025, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2025, 9:32 am

The Essence of NotReading...

In fact, he later upheld the verdict and denied Trump's motion for a new trial

The argument ended right here when you posted this:

In fact, he later upheld the verdict

Yup, he did not overturn the verdict.

Game....Set....Match.

 

I am going to PG that because it has absolutely nothing to do with the title or the OP.  The verdict was NO RAPE.  You already said so meaning you are admitting I. am correct.



:rofl:  

You have made ZERO references to any facts.

Post a link to the motion to which Judge Kaplan responded.

*Huey » 15 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

15 minutes ago

The argument ended right here when you posted this:

Yup, he did not overturn the verdict.

Game....Set....Match.

The verdict in question was 

In favor of the.Plaintiff, in the amount of 2 million.


Period.


 

*Huey » 40 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

40 minutes ago

The argument ended right here when you posted this:

Yup, he did not overturn the verdict.

Game....Set....Match.

You have never linked to 

The Jury Verdict

The Appeal

Judge Kaplan's response.

 

*Huey » Yesterday, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:44 am

Google AI

Judge Lewis A. Kaplan presided over the E. Jean Carroll defamation trial against Donald Trump where a jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation, awarding Carroll $5 million in damages
. 
Judge Kaplan did not overturn the jury's verdict in that case. In fact, he later upheld the verdict and denied Trump's motion for a new trial. 
It's important to note that a judge can overturn a jury's verdict in certain specific circumstances, such as if there wasn't enough evidence to support the verdict or if there were errors during the trial that prejudiced the outcome. However, this is relatively rare. 
In this particular case, Judge Kaplan not only upheld the jury's verdict but also, in a later, separate trial determining damages for a different defamatory statement, ruled that Trump was precluded from arguing that he did not sexually assault Ms. Carroll, leaving only the issue of damages to be decided by the jury. 

And that is all there is to say about that.

IDIOT OP ACTUALLY CONSIGNS TEXT OF THE ACTUAL DECISION TO PG......

@Blackvegetable  

Since you finally agreed that there was no finding of Rape and Kaplan did not over turn the verdict mentioned in the OP, meaning he is not a rapist felon, there is no need to for me to continue.

With that said...Since you are begging for my attention across multiple threads I figured I would give it to you.  Yesterday I bought a Byrna SD.  It is legal in all 50 states in one way or another.  It is Non Lethal/Less Lethal Projectile launcher.  Launches a .68 cal ball rounds that are either kinetic hard plastic round or contains a pepper spray/tear gas mix at 280 fps.  As the resident expert at getting pepper sprayed I was kinda wondering what you think.



Mine of course is orange.  For safety.

*Huey » 10 Aug 2025, 3:33 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 3:33 pm

@Blackvegetable  

Since you finally agreed that there was no finding of Rape and Kaplan did not over turn the verdict mentioned in the OP, meaning he is not a rapist felon, there is no need to for me to continue.

With that said...Since you are begging for my attention across multiple threads I figured I would give it to you.  Yesterday I bought a Byrna SD.  It is legal in all 50 states in one way or another.  It is Non Lethal/Less Lethal Projectile launcher.  Launches a .68 cal ball rounds that are either kinetic hard plastic round or contains a pepper spray/tear gas mix at 280 fps.  As the resident expert at getting pepper sprayed I was kinda wondering what you think.



Mine of course is orange.  For safety.

Are you an ammosexual now?   

Vegas » 10 Aug 2025, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 3:36 pm

*Huey » 10 Aug 2025, 3:33 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 3:33 pm

@Blackvegetable  

Since you finally agreed that there was no finding of Rape and Kaplan did not over turn the verdict mentioned in the OP, meaning he is not a rapist felon, there is no need to for me to continue.

With that said...Since you are begging for my attention across multiple threads I figured I would give it to you.  Yesterday I bought a Byrna SD.  It is legal in all 50 states in one way or another.  It is Non Lethal/Less Lethal Projectile launcher.  Launches a .68 cal ball rounds that are either kinetic hard plastic round or contains a pepper spray/tear gas mix at 280 fps.  As the resident expert at getting pepper sprayed I was kinda wondering what you think.



Mine of course is orange.  For safety.

Are you an ammosexual now?   

 

I guess.  I own a number of semi autopistols, a revolver, a lever action Henry and a couple other rifles.  BUT the beauty of that is it is not a fire arm.  It is marketed as a launcher.

Blackvegetable » 10 Aug 2025, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 12:09 pm

No.

There was no "NO RAPE" finding.

In rejecting 5eam Grifty's petition he explicitly rejects the "no rape" assertion.

His logic has been upheld at the state and federal level.

Making the statement "The Jury’s verdict has been upheld" a fact...but not YOUR version of the Jury’s verdict...Judge Kaplan's version.

Nod.

A. The jury found that Carroll FAILED to prove a rape occurred. THAT fact is indisputable.

B. He can reject all he wants, that's why there are appeals courts. It's already there. BTW, the VERDICT wasn't appealed based on "amount awarded" but on ERRORS BY KAPLAN. That will ultimately win in the SCOTUS.

C. So?? It will ultimately end up in the SCOTUS and likely will have 100% of it tossed to the garbage heap. Seeing how MULTIPLE errors by Kaplan occurred. Those alone will be sufficient to overturn the case.

D. The Jury's verdict WAS upheld. In order for a "rape" to have been claimed, there is NO WAY you can circumvent the JURY unless you overturn the verdict. THAT verdict was simple- NO RAPE WAS PROVEN TO HAVE HAPPENED!! How hard is that for you to comprehend. Even Kaplan in the appeal decision even stated, that the JURY FOUND NO RAPE OCCURRED!! 

Add insult to your injury, the COUNTERCLAIM BY TRUMP was what Kaplan "rejected" and wrote his BS opinion. It wasn't any APPEAL!! Which you have continued to claim it was. That too, is going to be appealed as well. This isn't going very well for you. 

*Huey » 53 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

53 minutes ago

@Blackvegetable  

Since you finally agreed that there was no finding of Rape and Kaplan did not over turn the verdict mentioned in the OP, meaning he is not a rapist felon, there is no need to for me to continue.

With that said...Since you are begging for my attention across multiple threads I figured I would give it to you.  Yesterday I bought a Byrna SD.  It is legal in all 50 states in one way or another.  It is Non Lethal/Less Lethal Projectile launcher.  Launches a .68 cal ball rounds that are either kinetic hard plastic round or contains a pepper spray/tear gas mix at 280 fps.  As the resident expert at getting pepper sprayed I was kinda wondering what you think.



Mine of course is orange.  For safety.

I haven't agreed to anything of the sort.

Neither does the evidence, which is why you have to run from it.
 

Blackvegetable » 10 Aug 2025, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 12:09 pm

No.

There was no "NO RAPE" finding.

In rejecting 5eam Grifty's petition he explicitly rejects the "no rape" assertion.

His logic has been upheld at the state and federal level.

Making the statement "The Jury’s verdict has been upheld" a fact...but not YOUR version of the Jury’s verdict...Judge Kaplan's version.

Nod.

Raping a whore is an oxymoron, a conflict of terms....case dismissed.
 

RebelGator » 10 Aug 2025, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 5:22 pm

Raping a whore is an oxymoron, a conflict of terms....case dismissed.

Try it.

*Huey » Today, 3:33 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 3:33 pm

@Blackvegetable  

Since you finally agreed that there was no finding of Rape and Kaplan did not over turn the verdict mentioned in the OP, meaning he is not a rapist felon, there is no need to for me to continue.

With that said...Since you are begging for my attention across multiple threads I figured I would give it to you.  Yesterday I bought a Byrna SD.  It is legal in all 50 states in one way or another.  It is Non Lethal/Less Lethal Projectile launcher.  Launches a .68 cal ball rounds that are either kinetic hard plastic round or contains a pepper spray/tear gas mix at 280 fps.  As the resident expert at getting pepper sprayed I was kinda wondering what you think.



Mine of course is orange.  For safety.

 

Since you finally agreed that there was no finding of Rape and Kaplan did not over turn the verdict mentioned in the OP, meaning he is not a rapist felon,

Who asked him to "over turn it", and why?

 
 

*Huey » Yesterday, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 8:44 am

Google AI

Judge Lewis A. Kaplan presided over the E. Jean Carroll defamation trial against Donald Trump where a jury found Trump liable for sexual abuse and defamation, awarding Carroll $5 million in damages
. 
Judge Kaplan did not overturn the jury's verdict in that case.

That's your vague retelling...

Here are Judge Kaplan's words.....relevant because you reference his opinion.

The jury's unanimous verdict in Carroll II was almost entirely in favor of Ms. Carroll. The only point on which Ms. Carroll did not prevail was whether she had proved that Mr. Trump had “raped” her within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law – a section that provides that the label “rape” as used in criminal prosecutions in New York applies only to vaginal penetration by a penis. Forcible, unconsented-to penetration of the vagina or of other bodily orifices by fingers, other body parts, or other articles or materials is not called “rape” under the New York Penal Law. It instead is labeled “sexual abuse.”1

 As is shown in the following notes, the definition of rape in the New York Penal Law is far narrower than the meaning of “rape” in common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries,2 in some federal and state criminal statutes,3 and elsewhere.4 The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was “raped” within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump “raped” her as many people commonly understand the word “rape.” Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.

 So why does this matter? It matters because Mr. Trump now contends that the jury's $2 million compensatory damages award for Ms. Carroll's sexual assault claim was excessive because the jury concluded that he had not “raped” Ms. Carroll.5 Its verdict, he says, could have been based upon no more than “groping of [Ms. Carroll's] breasts through clothing or similar conduct, which is a far cry from rape.”6 And while Mr. Trump is right that a $2 million award for such groping alone could well be regarded as excessive, that undermines rather than supports his argument. His argument is entirely unpersuasive. 

 This jury did not award Ms. Carroll more than $2 million for groping her breasts through her clothing, wrongful as that might have been. There was no evidence at all of such behavior. Instead, the proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll's vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump's argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury's verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.

 There is no basis for disturbing the jury's sexual assault damages. And Mr. Trump's arguments with respect to the defamation damages are no stronger.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-di ... aw-content
 
 

Blackvegetable » 10 Aug 2025, 5:25 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2025, 5:25 pm

Try it.

No thanks, I won't even go fishing with someone that wears a tunic.

RebelGator » Today, 6:15 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 6:15 pm

No thanks, I won't even go fishing with someone that wears a tunic.

Unless he was groomed by a dude in a tiara...