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Blackvegetable » 22 Aug 2025, 6:59 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 6:59 am

I think we should shoot stupid people.

You would be the first, bitchboy

ROG62 » 21 Aug 2025, 8:42 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2025, 8:42 pm

Yet he makes you look like a double lobotomy recipient...oh wait!

How so?

The man is entirely void of merit.
 

Blackvegetable » 22 Aug 2025, 7:00 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 7:00 am

How so?

The man is entirely void of merit.

you are a retarded liberal shill

Cannonpointer » 21 Aug 2025, 7:18 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2025, 7:18 pm

Name one.

One lie Putin told, one time Russia broke its word.

Name one.


 

Genocide in DonbasPutin claimed that Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian speakers in the Donbas as justification for Russia’s invasion. Independent investigations—including by the International Court of Justice—and over 300 genocide scholars have concluded there's no evidence supporting such claimshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine?utm_source=chatgpt.comDenazification MissionHe asserted that his invasion was necessary to “denazify” Ukraine. This portrayal has been widely debunked by top historians and institutions such as Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, which condemned it as a gross distortion of history Wikipedia.

 Historical Denial of Ukrainian National IdentityPutin has repeatedly claimed that Ukrainians and Russians are "one people," dismissing Ukraine's historical identity. Scholars emphasize this view is historically flawed and politically motivated Wikipedi

 False Humanitarian ClaimsPutin’s claims that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was purely humanitarian have been debunked. Evidence—including reports of forced adoption—demonstrates these practices were coercive

 Annexation of Crimea DenialInitially, Putin denied Russian military involvement in Crimea, falsely claiming "local self-defense forces" were responsible. Later, he admitted ordering the annexation, contradicting his earlier statements TIME

 Misleading Nuclear PosturePutin once claimed Russia’s nuclear doctrine allows only for retaliatory strikes, not preventive ones. Analysts noted this mischaracterizes official doctrine, which permits preemptive responses to perceived threats The New Yorker.

   

Blackvegetable » 22 Aug 2025, 6:59 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 6:59 am

I think we should shoot stupid people.

Get it rolling with yer suicide Bstumped.     

Cannonpointer » 21 Aug 2025, 7:18 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2025, 7:18 pm

Name one.

One lie Putin told, one time Russia broke its word.

Name one.

The US overthrew the government of Coupkraine, armed it, trained itr, funded it, and provided it with mercenaries, intelligence, and materiel in order to use it as a battering ram against Russia. Then it imposed an enormous and escalating regime of sanctions. Europe stole its external sovereign wealth. And ALL of this was planned WAAAY in advance in policy papers from right wing think tanks.

And you wanna pretend that we can just "step aside" and leave those who are responsible for this **** to manage it?

WE are responsible for this ****. The USA planned it. The USA funded it. The USA started it. Not Russia. The USA - through Coupkraine.

In 2014, Moscow was forced to defend Crimea because it was in jeopardy.

There ya go!!
 

Blackvegetable » 22 Aug 2025, 7:00 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 7:00 am

How so?

The man is entirely void of merit.

did you mean devoid? He's 10x the man you could ever be...
 

Blackvegetable » 22 Aug 2025, 6:59 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 6:59 am

I think we should shoot stupid people.

Hitler used them for training for Euthanasia on a mass scale.

I hope you mean with a squirt gun.. It could wash the crap off of Sir Fecal Facial's Face
 

ROG62 » 22 Aug 2025, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 11:33 am

did you mean devoid? He's 10x the man you could ever be...

Careful. He's a grammatical genius.

DeezerShoove » 22 Aug 2025, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 12:40 pm

Careful. He's a grammatical genius.

He pretty much claims to be a genius at everything, yet no one is vying to be like him...
 

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am

Genocide in DonbasPutin claimed that Ukraine was committing genocide against Russian speakers in the Donbas as justification for Russia’s invasion. Independent investigations—including by the International Court of Justice—and over 300 genocide scholars have concluded there's no evidence supporting such claimshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine?utm_source=chatgpt.comDenazification MissionHe asserted that his invasion was necessary to “denazify” Ukraine. This portrayal has been widely debunked by top historians and institutions such as Auschwitz-Birkenau State Museum, which condemned it as a gross distortion of history Wikipedia.

The Azov Battalion was in fact killing people in Donbas. They can quibble whether it rose to the levelof a genocide - but the killings and other atrocites were happening.

And the Azov Battalion IS a nazi battalion. Whatever western sources say - and whatever they deliberately DON'T say, refrain from saying, - Coupkraine has an extreme nazi agenda. SPECFICALLY - and you can fact check this, - Coupkraine has outlawed every language except Coupkrainian. When Kruschev in his wisdom peeled off sections of Poland, Romania, Russia, and Hungary; and GAVE those populations to Ukraine, the deal was that these regions still had the right to govern themselves and educate their children and run their affairs with the State in their respective mother tongues. The Coup government, in violation of its own Constitution, reneged on this agreement and began persecuting minorites in ALL of these regions - not just the ethnic Russian regions.

Just you watch. I predict when this kerfuffle is over, those regions will have rebelled and gone back to their cultural motherlands. And their reason will be that they do not want to be part of a fascist nazi state.

Continued, you dirty *** dicker...

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am

 Historical Denial of Ukrainian National Identity

They're Slavs. Two on a coroner's table cannot be differentiated. He is biologically correct. THEY are lying, if anyone is. This is a cheap quibble over differing opinions.

Here, chew on this:

AI Overview
Yes, Kyiv (or Kiev) was the center of the first major East Slavic state, known as Kievan Rus', which is often considered the precursor to modern Russia and Ukraine, making it a foundational "mother" city for the region.

And for the record, THIS is the **** that I disputed.

On the other side of this coin, Putin did mess up. He rarely keeps his word. He says he will go left, then he goes right. He has always been that way. Since his word can't be trusted, then it's pretty pointless for him to make demands, though reasonable, onto anyone.

Nothing you have to say in this AI propaganda screed supports that ****. ^ And I re-issue the challenge. But when you hit reply, try to actually support that ****, rather than claim Putin lied about his wife's weight. . 

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am

False Humanitarian ClaimsPutin’s claims that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was purely humanitarian have been debunked. Evidence—including reports of forced adoption—demonstrates these practices were coercive

This "evidence" is manufactured by captured agencies. The west has so corrupted its various agencies that men are being put into women's prisons in violation of long established human rights treaties which include the Geneva Conventions. You are quite literally taking the word of people who force women to share cells with male sex criminals.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am

 Annexation of Crimea DenialInitially, Putin denied Russian military involvement in Crimea, falsely claiming "local self-defense forces" were responsible. Later, he admitted ordering the annexation, contradicting his earlier statements TIME

You are taking the issue to a whole different level. Your CLAIM was that Putin gives his word and then does not keep it. He cannot be trusted to keep a treaty. Which is PRECISELY the pot calling the wedding gown black. Each of your claims are defending an entirely different proposition. You need to hoogle better. I never said Putin was George Washington with the cherry tree. I defied you to show him breaking his word - to prove he cannot be trusted to keep treaties.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 9:35 am

 Misleading Nuclear PosturePutin once claimed Russia’s nuclear doctrine allows only for retaliatory strikes, not preventive ones. Analysts noted this mischaracterizes official doctrine, which permits preemptive responses to perceived threats The New Yorker.

Which treaty did this break?

Name that treaty.

How do you know that Putin said that? How do you know he knew it to be false?

And also AGAIN, which treaty did that break?

The west has broken every deal it has made with Moscow. EVERY deal. You will not show Moscow breaking any deals with anyone.

I have to give you kudos for at least not throwing in that he lied about having a mistress, in your zeal to change what I disputed and defend a challenge I never made.
 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 22 Aug 2025, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 12:55 pm

Continued, you dirty *** dicker...

         

ROG62 » 22 Aug 2025, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 12:53 pm

He pretty much claims to be a genius at everything, yet no one is vying to be like him...

He apparently knows as much as I do about tariffs too.
I asked him for some info he accused me of not knowing. Got nothing back.

He is afraid to discuss any sort of belief in a Higher Power.
Many taboo topics for such a mouthy lil' guy.

It's impossible to feel put down from a person like that no matter how he tries to insult.
He's a total **** for not realizing his place here. A bootscrape on a pig farm.  

Cannonpointer » 21 Aug 2025, 7:23 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2025, 7:23 pm

Trump sandwiched biden on this ****. 

Trump did as much to cause this war as biden.

That's ****!
Did Trump EVER tell the world that the Ukrainian people could decide for themselves if they wanted to join NATO as Biden did?  Putin warned that this would NEVER be tolerated, and THAT STUPID STATEMENT ALONE was enough for Russia to launch their invasion, and I don't blame them one bit!

Biden threw hundreds of billions at Zelensky including a $60 million a year salary with NO ACCOUNTABILITY WHATSOEVER, which allowed Zelensky to amass a personal fortune of almost half a billion dollars!

Now, Trump is SELLING WEAPONS to Ukraine and is working diligently for a cease fire and an end to the war, and has threatened to sanction Russian oil if they do not make an effort to stop the war, which would crush Russia economically.

They are NOT the same!

Ukraine Offers $150B Weapons, Drones Deal to Secure Trump's Backing: ReportNewsweek Published Aug 18, 2025Ukraine has proposed a massive $150 billion security package to the United States, combining $100 billion in European-financed American weapons purchases with a $50 billion drone production partnership.This proposal represents Ukraine's strategic pivot toward appealing to Trump's "America First" agenda by positioning the deal as beneficial to U.S. industry rather than traditional aid.

Biden assures Zelenskiy that NATO membership in Ukraine's hands, Kyiv ...Reuters December 9, 2021

"President Biden said very clearly that the decision on Ukraine's accession to NATO is the decision of the Ukrainian people only, this is a sovereign and independent Ukrainian state," he said.

Now I know you don't support Biden's wild spending on Ukraine's war, but there is NOTHING SIMILAR about the position that Trump has taken compared to Biden, so get your facts straight for a change!

Cannonpointer » 22 Aug 2025, 12:56 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 12:56 pm

They're Slavs. Two on a coroner's table cannot be differentiated. He is biologically correct. THEY are lying, if anyone is. This is a cheap quibble over differing opinions.

Here, chew on this:

And for the record, THIS is the **** that I disputed.

Nothing you have to say in this AI propaganda screed supports that ****. ^

 

Biology doesn’t determine nationality. By that logic, Americans and Canadians are indistinguishable on a coroner’s table too, yet I doubt either would appreciate being told they’re the same country.

This "evidence" is manufactured by captured agencies. The west has so corrupted its various agencies that men are being put into women's prisons in violation of long established human rights treaties which include the Geneva Conventions. You are quite literally taking the word of people who force women to share cells with male sex criminals.

You are taking the issue to a whole different level. Your CLAIM was that Putin gives his word and then does not keep it. He cannot be trusted to keep a treaty. Which is PRECISELY the pot calling the wedding gown black. Each of your claims are defending an entirely different proposition. You need to hoogle better. I never said Putin was George Washington with the cherry tree. I defied you to show him breaking his word - to prove he cannot be trusted to keep treaties.

The forced transfer of children isn’t just a Western talking point. It’s why the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for Putin. If all international institutions are ‘captured,’ then no evidence against anyone anywhere would count, which is a pretty convenient shield for any war crime.

Which treaty did this break?

Name that treaty.

How do you know that Putin said that? How do you know he knew it to be false?

And also AGAIN, which treaty did that break?

The challenge wasn’t to prove treaty violations, but whether Putin lies. Saying ‘no Russian troops were in Crimea’ and then later admitting he sent them is a straight-up lie. Whether it broke a treaty is another conversation.

The west has broken every deal it has made with Moscow. EVERY deal. You will not show Moscow breaking any deals with anyone.

I have to give you kudos for at least not throwing in that he lied about having a mistress, in your zeal to change what I disputed.

Even if I grant that the West broke promises, that doesn’t erase the fact that Putin has lied on record. Pointing to someone else’s sins doesn’t make yours disappear.

However, you’re right. Mischaracterizing nuclear doctrine isn’t the same as breaking a treaty. But it’s still a lie if he knowingly misrepresented policy to reassure or threaten audiences. Treaties are one category of honesty; public statements are another.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm

Biology doesn’t determine nationality. By that logic, Americans and Canadians are indistinguishable on a coroner’s table too, yet I doubt either would appreciate being told they’re the same country.

Show Putin claiming Coupkraine doesn't exist.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm

The forced transfer of children isn’t just a Western talking point. It’s why the International Criminal Court issued a warrant for Putin. If all international institutions are ‘captured,’ then no evidence against anyone anywhere would count, which is a pretty convenient shield for any war crime.

Here are the nations currently represented by jurists on the ICC. Please identify the ones you think can't have their arms twisted by DC and the EU.
No, **** that. Identify the ones you believe are not eagerly checking in for marching orders - let's make this easy:

"As of early 2025, judges with the highest offices included representatives from Japan, Italy, and Benin, with other nations such as the United Kingdom, Canada, Mexico, Uganda, Sierra Leone, and Costa Rica also represented"

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm

The challenge wasn’t to prove treaty violations, but whether Putin lies. Saying ‘no Russian troops were in Crimea’ and then later admitting he sent them is a straight-up lie. Whether it broke a treaty is another conversation.

****. I directly quoted your claim - that Putin could not be trusted to keep a treaty so there was no use making one with him.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:19 pm

Even if I grant that the West broke promises, that doesn’t erase the fact that Putin has lied on record. Pointing to someone else’s sins doesn’t make yours disappear.

There is no if. Merkel and Hollande - the gaurantors of MIsk 1 and Minsk 2, BRAGGED about it in public after leaving office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jALV1p5NPw4

Now, SHOW ME PUTIN PROVING RUSSIA'S WORD IS ****.

Now, I'm just gonna snatch this: Treaties are one category of honesty; public statements are another.

 
 

Cannonpointer » 22 Aug 2025, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:29 pm

Show Putin claiming Coupkraine doesn't exist.

Here are the nations currently represented by jurists on the ICC. Please identify the ones you think can't have their arms twisted by DC and the EU.
No, **** that. Identify the ones you believe are not eagerly checking in for marching orders - let's make this easy:

"As of early 2025, judges with the highest offices included representatives from Japan, Italy, and Benin, with other nations such as the United Kingdom, Canada, Mexico, Uganda, Sierra Leone, and Costa Rica also represented"

****. I directly quoted your claim - that Putin could not be trusted to keep a treaty so there was no use making one with him.

There is no if. Merkel and Hollande - the gaurantors of MIsk 1 and Minsk 2, BRAGGED about it in public after leaving office.


Now, SHOW ME PUTIN PROVING RUSSIA'S WORD IS ****.

Now, I'm just gonna snatch this: Treaties are one category of honesty; public statements are another.
 

1. He doesn’t have to say the words ‘Ukraine doesn’t exist.’ He’s said that Ukraine has no real history of statehood and that Ukrainians and Russians are ‘one people.’ That’s denying a nation’s legitimacy in everything but name. You are pulling BV. He also demands explicitness, because he can't think outside of that.

2. “If every international body is automatically a Western puppet, then no war crime by any country could ever be judged. That’s not skepticism — that’s a get-out-of-jail-free card for anyone with enough tanks.

3. Even if Merkel and Hollande played games with Minsk, Russia also signed it and claimed to honor it. So if Western duplicity makes treaties meaningless, then why demand to see Putin keeping them? You’re undercutting your own standard.

4. You keep shifting from ‘does Putin lie?’ to ‘prove he broke a treaty.’ But those are different standards. Saying ‘no Russian troops were in Crimea’ when they were, then later admitting it — that’s a lie. Whether it voided a treaty is a separate question.

5. Exactly...and I was talking about public statements. You’ve agreed with the distinction, which means you’ve conceded the original point: Putin lies even if you want to confine treaties to a different category.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm

1. He doesn’t have to say the words ‘Ukraine doesn’t exist.’ He’s said that Ukraine has no real history of statehood and that Ukrainians and Russians are ‘one people.’ That’s denying a nation’s legitimacy in everything but name. You are pulling BV. He also demands explicitness, because he can't think outside of that.

The first and only attempt at Ukrainian statehood before the 1991 iteration was in 1918. It failed.

Ukraine has no real history as a nation state.

Deal with it.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm

2. “If every international body is automatically a Western puppet, then no war crime by any country could ever be judged. That’s not skepticism — that’s a get-out-of-jail-free card for anyone with enough tanks.

Therefore, we must make believe that Japan, Italy and Benin are neutral and reliable.

Do you, bro. I'm gonna do me.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm

3. Even if Merkel and Hollande played games with Minsk,

There you go again. I showed you that because you puled, "even if." This shows bad faith - this "even if" ****. EVEN IF you are provided excellent evidence, you're gonna ignore it and keep putting forward bad faith "even if" arguments from **** sources/no sources and piss poor logic.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm

Russia also signed it and claimed to honor it. So if Western duplicity makes treaties meaningless, then why demand to see Putin keeping them? You’re undercutting your own standard.

First, you need to reformulate this stupidness.
Second, I have made no argument. I have asked you to back yours, and you have failed miserably. You claimed in your OP that Putin could not be trusted to keep his word - and to support that historical lie, you proffered as evidence that he lied about his hat size and his bowling score.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm

4. You keep shifting from ‘does Putin lie?’ to ‘prove he broke a treaty.’ But those are different standards. Saying ‘no Russian troops were in Crimea’ when they were, then later admitting it — that’s a lie. Whether it voided a treaty is a separate question.

I have already broken out for you the part of your **** that started this. I am going to do it again, even though the need to do so merely proves your laziness. You're phoning this **** in, son.

Vegas » 21 Aug 2025, 2:55 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Aug 2025, 2:55 pm

He rarely keeps his word.
He says he will go left, then he goes right.

Show Putin breaking a promise.

Not lying about a girlfriend, or his hat size.
Not mischaracterizing a set of circumstances.
Not disagreeing with the opinion of someone you foolishly trust.

Show him saying he will go left and then going right. He does it all the time - so show it.

Vegas » 22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 1:45 pm

5. Exactly...and I was talking about public statements. You’ve agreed with the distinction, which means you’ve conceded the original point: Putin lies even if you want to confine treaties to a different category.

It is YOUR OP that I take issue with, because in YOUR OP, you claimed his failure to KEEP HIS WORD makes it impossible to make a deal with him.

Show him breaking his word. He does it all the time. You said so. Give an example of Putin making a promise to gain some concession, and then, having got what he wanted, breaking his word.

I don't need EVERY time he's done (WAY too many to count, FFS). Just ONE time. Show me ONE time.
 

*Beekeeper » 22 Aug 2025, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

22 Aug 2025, 10:47 am

In 2014, Moscow was forced to defend Crimea because it was in jeopardy.

There ya go!!

Beevee, why the **** is this retrograde retardation not pg'd?

@Blackvegetable