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Progress in America has always had a price, and that price has usually been paid by the oppressed.

The Founders didn’t abolish slavery. Why? Because after the Revolutionary War, America was broke. Slavery was the best cashflow around. It kept the economy alive.

Then came the factories. Women and children worked themselves raw. The poor were chewed up. The working class was underpaid and abused. And still, “progress” marched on.

Fast forward: today America is basically the corporate HQ of the world. But behind the logos, it’s just a handful of giants: BlackRock, Vanguard, and friends. Their entire game is squeezing labor to death while shareholders cash in. And yes—progress comes out of it.

So what’s the truth? America is the “land of the free”… but only for the top 5%. The rest of us drown in laws, taxes, debt, and the highest incarceration rate anywhere.

We don’t live in freedom—we live in managed debt and controlled labor. Until we admit that, nothing changes.
 
The cycle has always been the same. The question is: how long do we keep repeating it?
 

Vegas » 24 Aug 2025, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Aug 2025, 12:27 pm

Progress in America has always had a price, and that price has usually been paid by the oppressed.

The Founders didn’t abolish slavery. Why? Because after the Revolutionary War, America was broke. Slavery was the best cashflow around. It kept the economy alive.

Then came the factories. Women and children worked themselves raw. The poor were chewed up. The working class was underpaid and abused. And still, “progress” marched on.

Fast forward: today America is basically the corporate HQ of the world. But behind the logos, it’s just a handful of giants: BlackRock, Vanguard, and friends. Their entire game is squeezing labor to death while shareholders cash in. And yes—progress comes out of it.

So what’s the truth? America is the “land of the free”… but only for the top 5%. The rest of us drown in laws, taxes, debt, and the highest incarceration rate anywhere.

We don’t live in freedom—we live in managed debt and controlled labor. Until we admit that, nothing changes.
 
The cycle has always been the same. The question is: how long do we keep repeating it?

Good thoughtful post!

One peticular truth:
while shareholders cash in. 


 

Ok, ok, we'll give some land to the *** and the chinks but we don't want the Irish!

Map of state poverty rates.
Total living in poverty roughly the same as the population of Canada.

Mapped: U.S. Poverty Rates by State https://share.google/G3DtgeU8fpcqztCQg

Progress good. Progressism Bad.

Fuelman » 24 Aug 2025, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Aug 2025, 2:37 pm

Map of state poverty rates.
Total living in poverty roughly the same as the population of Canada.

Mapped: U.S. Poverty Rates by State https://share.google/G3DtgeU8fpcqztCQg

Interesting. I wonder what the metric they use to establish poverty.  Another thing to consider is that one doesn't have to be considered to be in poverty to be exploited. Most families runs off debt. Homes, cars, and properties are out of reach for most people. This, debt is required if you don't want to live on the street.

Vegas » 24 Aug 2025, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Aug 2025, 12:27 pm

Progress in America has always had a price, and that price has usually been paid by the oppressed.

The Founders didn’t abolish slavery. Why? Because after the Revolutionary War, America was broke. Slavery was the best cashflow around. It kept the economy alive.

Then came the factories. Women and children worked themselves raw. The poor were chewed up. The working class was underpaid and abused. And still, “progress” marched on.

Fast forward: today America is basically the corporate HQ of the world. But behind the logos, it’s just a handful of giants: BlackRock, Vanguard, and friends. Their entire game is squeezing labor to death while shareholders cash in. And yes—progress comes out of it.

So what’s the truth? America is the “land of the free”… but only for the top 5%. The rest of us drown in laws, taxes, debt, and the highest incarceration rate anywhere.

We don’t live in freedom—we live in managed debt and controlled labor. Until we admit that, nothing changes.
 
The cycle has always been the same. The question is: how long do we keep repeating it?

Farm animals on a pasture vs farm animals in the worst conditions imaginable

Both lead to the same outcome 


Same with wagie Slavie at different levels 

Vegas » 24 Aug 2025, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Aug 2025, 12:27 pm

Progress in America has always had a price, and that price has usually been paid by the oppressed.

The Founders didn’t abolish slavery. Why? Because after the Revolutionary War, America was broke. Slavery was the best cashflow around. It kept the economy alive.

Then came the factories. Women and children worked themselves raw. The poor were chewed up. The working class was underpaid and abused. And still, “progress” marched on.

Fast forward: today America is basically the corporate HQ of the world. But behind the logos, it’s just a handful of giants: BlackRock, Vanguard, and friends. Their entire game is squeezing labor to death while shareholders cash in. And yes—progress comes out of it.

So what’s the truth? America is the “land of the free”… but only for the top 5%. The rest of us drown in laws, taxes, debt, and the highest incarceration rate anywhere.

We don’t live in freedom—we live in managed debt and controlled labor. Until we admit that, nothing changes.
 
The cycle has always been the same. The question is: how long do we keep repeating it?
 

What is the progression to saving humanity by power of suggesting genetic outcomes aren't eternally separated by adapting in space evolving daily here one at a time since conceived to dead?

there are 8.2 million humans believing life isn't self evident governing 8.2 billion humans alive in the atmosphere now.
Next census instead of typecasting people by race, creed, color, national origin, gender choice after birth, ideology developed throughout history of their ancestral lineages so far count people within their current generation gaps regardless race, creed, color, national origin, etc.

Watch how evolving actually works beyond suggesting now isn't eternity.

Evolution develops forward when great great grandchildren become 1 of 16 great great grandparents never staying same form as their original fertilized cell. Universal constant no exception or exemptions by hope, faith, charity, rule of law, tomorrows promised better than total sum left adapting forward so far.

This could help long term.

The "expansion of ESOPs" refers to recent efforts to increase the number and types of businesses that form Employee Stock Ownership Plans, particularly by making "partial ESOPs" more viable for large companies and encouraging adoption by S corporations through legislative changes. A new national coalition called Expanding ESOPs is driving this movement to create more wealth-building opportunities for workers, improve worker engagement, and boost the overall American economy.

Our education system needs to get onboard with teaching personal finance. Mandatory several years in high school.

Fuelman » 25 Aug 2025, 8:59 am » wrote: ↑

25 Aug 2025, 8:59 am

Our education system needs to get onboard with teaching personal finance. Mandatory several years in high school.

This ^^^. 100%. I can't tell you how many high school grads and even college grads still don't know what a credit score is.