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I started my car hunt 7 months ago; it may finally end on Monday.

I only had to overpay by about 20%....after the dealer dropped the original asking price by $4,500.

The market for some used cars is inexplicable...

I had no idea there was a $500,000 Mustang.

What I don't get is the 1980s Volvo 240 DL craze..

111 hp...

$10,000

In tan

Is that even sufficient to drive an A/C?

 

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am

I started my car hunt 7 months ago; it may finally end on Monday.

I only had to overpay by about 20%....after the dealer dropped the original asking price by $4,500.

The market for some used cars is inexplicable...

I had no idea there was a $500,000 Mustang.

What I don't get is the 1980s Volvo 240 DL craze..

111 hp...

$10,000

In tan

Is that even sufficient to drive an A/C?

Consumers are stupid...and the fact you're paying 20% over? nevermind...AllTrack?

what Mustang would that be?


 

ROG62 » 12 Sep 2025, 8:27 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 8:27 am

Consumers are stupid...and the fact you're paying 20% over? nevermind...AllTrack?

what Mustang would that be?

A 2019 SEL, 45,000 miles. Dealer certified for 3 years..

I paid 500 more than I would have paid for the 2017 with 50k from CarMax..

On a relative basis, I did well.

https://www.fordmuscle.com/?p=1000998#: ... rformance.
 

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am

I started my car hunt 7 months ago; it may finally end on Monday.

I only had to overpay by about 20%....after the dealer dropped the original asking price by $4,500.

The market for some used cars is inexplicable...

I had no idea there was a $500,000 Mustang.

What I don't get is the 1980s Volvo 240 DL craze..

111 hp...

$10,000

In tan

Is that even sufficient to drive an A/C?

I gotta 2015 Jeep Patriot base model brand new stick shift and crank windows 15k out the door .

Again base model just a 4 banger and 5 speed and cloth interior no luxuries or extras basic Am/Fm Cd stereo..

63 thousand miles so far and warrantly expired long ago now but other than a sensor , new brakes battery and set of tires and oil changes gets me around and serves my needs

Most people aint happy with something that basic no extras but I got brand new with a 5 year warranty too ..

Used cars are a crapshoot sometimes ya get lucky find something decent last ya 5/10 years without much problems..

Others Breakdown next month and already sticking $$$ into em right off the bat
 

TwoIfByTea » 12 Sep 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 8:42 am

I gotta 2015 Jeep Patriot base model brand new stick shift and crank windows 15k out the door .

Again base model just a 4 banger and 5 speed and cloth interior no luxuries or extras basic Am/Fm Cd stereo..

63 thousand miles so far and warrantly expired long ago now but other than a sensor , new brakes battery and set of tires and oil changes gets me around and serves my needs

Most people aint happy with something that basic no extras but I got brand new with a 5 year warranty too ..

Used cars are a crapshoot sometimes ya get lucky find something decent last ya 5/10 years without much problems..

Others Breakdown next month and already sticking $$$ into em right off the bat

I too prefer cloth and a stick, but the manuals are rare and fetch an even heftier premium. The other issue was seats...VW seats are historically excellent....but they put a cheaper version in the lesser trims. Would have cost me $2500 to swap out.

The AllTrack is a seller's market....had I been willing to go with a top of the line '22 Tiguan, it is a buyer's market.

But I am desperate to avoid driving an SUV.

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am

I started my car hunt 7 months ago; it may finally end on Monday.

I only had to overpay by about 20%....after the dealer dropped the original asking price by $4,500.

The market for some used cars is inexplicable...

I had no idea there was a $500,000 Mustang.

What I don't get is the 1980s Volvo 240 DL craze..

111 hp...

$10,000

In tan

Is that even sufficient to drive an A/C?

 

 

Obviously you are not much of a car guy but I am guessing the Mustang is their new road racer. What people liked about the Volvo  was it was built like a tank and safe as hell.  I owned one when I was stationed in Germany in the early 90s for the wife to drive. Open the hood the engine compartment was huge but the engine was tiny.  It was a 79 or 80.  

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am

I started my car hunt 7 months ago; it may finally end on Monday.

I only had to overpay by about 20%....after the dealer dropped the original asking price by $4,500.

The market for some used cars is inexplicable...

I had no idea there was a $500,000 Mustang.

What I don't get is the 1980s Volvo 240 DL craze..

111 hp...

$10,000

In tan

Is that even sufficient to drive an A/C?

Which scenario is an example of survivorship bias in evaluating business success?

A) Believing that reading business books increases revenue after finding many CEOs recommend them.
B) Concluding that most startups fail after analyzing bankrupt companies.
C) Thinking entrepreneurship is easy because most media profiles focus on successful founders.
D) Surveying customers to understand why they chose your product over competitors

1. Your next move will be to claim that you answered it by giving your definition, to which I replied that isn't the question...etc...etc...blah...blah...blah...
2. You will also say that you answered through your non-answers. 

Moron.

Deal: If Veghead can prove that he answered the survivorship multiple choice question, as the question is written and asked, along with his defense of his answer, then I will agree to never come back for as long as I live. If he cannot, then he is out of here for a month. Additionally, his defense cannot be "Because it fits my definition." That is a claim, not a defense. He is to defend why. 

Exception: I will allow for an exception. If he loses, then I will allow him to stay if he answers it the way it is asked, along with his defense. However, he must do it immediately after the deal has been decided. Not 100 posts later. The very next post of his must be his answer/defense.

 

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 7:25 am

I started my car hunt 7 months ago; it may finally end on Monday.

I only had to overpay by about 20%....after the dealer dropped the original asking price by $4,500.

The market for some used cars is inexplicable...

I had no idea there was a $500,000 Mustang.

What I don't get is the 1980s Volvo 240 DL craze..

111 hp...

$10,000

In tan

Is that even sufficient to drive an A/C?

Sure thing.....I'd deflect too from the incendiary posts about Charli Kirk's murder....post some more nonsense to cover up your accomplishment.

RebelGator » 12 Sep 2025, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:30 am

Sure thing.....I'd deflect too from the incendiary posts about Charli Kirk's murder....post some more nonsense to cover up your accomplishment.

He has already made it clear he supports it and is calling for more.

Huey » 12 Sep 2025, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:32 am

He has already made it clear he supports it and is calling for more.

Does he not realize that he's doxxed himself on this board to the extent that a whole lot of people know exactly where he's at?

RebelGator » 12 Sep 2025, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:30 am

Sure thing.....I'd deflect too from the incendiary posts about Charli Kirk's murder....post some more nonsense to cover up your accomplishment.

What must I defend?

Specifically?
 

RebelGator » 12 Sep 2025, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:34 am

Does he not realize that he's doxxed himself on this board to the extent that a whole lot of people know exactly where he's at?

Your point being?

RebelGator » 12 Sep 2025, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:34 am

Huey » 12 Sep 2025, 9:32 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:32 am

He has already made it clear he supports it and is calling for more.

Does he not realize that he's doxxed himself on this board to the extent that a whole lot of people know exactly where he's at?

 

He's not that bright.  

Also, on the other hand, he could be lying about himself.  

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:35 am

Your point being?

Where you're headed, you don't ask questions, you answer them.

RebelGator » 12 Sep 2025, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:37 am

Where you're headed, you don't ask questions, you answer them.

You blow a lot of smoke, capon.
 

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:47 am

You blow a lot of smoke, capon.

It is a matter of record *******.  

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 8:57 am

I too prefer cloth and a stick, but the manuals are rare and fetch an even heftier premium. The other issue was seats...VW seats are historically excellent....but they put a cheaper version in the lesser trims. Would have cost me $2500 to swap out.

The AllTrack is a seller's market....had I been willing to go with a top of the line '22 Tiguan, it is a buyer's market.

But I am desperate to avoid driving an SUV.

I dont even think you can even buy a stick pickup truck anymore and even Dodge disccontinues the 6 speed for the Challenger 

I think about the only thing still have stick shifts are sports cars
 

Huey » 12 Sep 2025, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 9:36 am

He's not that bright.  

Also, on the other hand, he could be lying about himself.

I know ya folks have your little back and forth fued but this is a car thread 
 

TwoIfByTea » 12 Sep 2025, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 10:13 am

I dont even think you can even buy a stick pickup truck anymore and even Dodge disccontinues the 6 speed for the Challenger 

I think about the only thing still have stick shifts are sports cars

The only 26 vw you can buy with a stick is the GLI...

 

Blackvegetable » 12 Sep 2025, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

12 Sep 2025, 10:21 am

The only 26 vw you can buy with a stick is the GLI...

Which scenario is an example of survivorship bias in evaluating business success?

A) Believing that reading business books increases revenue after finding many CEOs recommend them.
B) Concluding that most startups fail after analyzing bankrupt companies.
C) Thinking entrepreneurship is easy because most media profiles focus on successful founders.
D) Surveying customers to understand why they chose your product over competitors

1. Your next move will be to claim that you answered it by giving your definition, to which I replied that isn't the question...etc...etc...blah...blah...blah...
2. You will also say that you answered through your non-answers. 

Moron.

Deal: If Veghead can prove that he answered the survivorship multiple choice question, as the question is written and asked, along with his defense of his answer, then I will agree to never come back for as long as I live. If he cannot, then he is out of here for a month. Additionally, his defense cannot be "Because it fits my definition." That is a claim, not a defense. He is to defend why. 

Exception: I will allow for an exception. If he loses, then I will allow him to stay if he answers it the way it is asked, along with his defense. However, he must do it immediately after the deal has been decided. Not 100 posts later. The very next post of his must be his answer/defense.