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Despite the historic summit where Trump and Putin met at the Airforce Base in Alaska.

Seems sIttuation no 2 sides can agree plus add in the European Union as well..

Negotiations on the Ukraine War are basiscally Stalled for right now..

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump- ... matum-nato

 
 

Trump to do this Trump to do that....Trump is chaos until the deal is inked

Trump’s NATO Ultimatum: The Leadership the West Needs

President Trump’s latest move is a masterclass in strategic clarity. By backing the Promise initiative to sanction Russia and issuing a blunt ultimatum to NATO, he’s doing what too many leaders have failed to do: put America first while demanding accountability from its allies.

For years, NATO nations have coasted on U.S. defense spending, offering lip service while shirking their financial commitments. Trump’s message is simple: pay up or lose protection. That’s not reckless—it’s responsible. It’s the kind of tough love that forces realignment and restores balance to global partnerships.

And when it comes to Russia, Trump isn’t playing games. Sanctions aren’t just symbolic—they’re a signal that the U.S. won’t tolerate aggression or energy blackmail. By backing Promise, he’s reinforcing economic pressure while keeping diplomatic leverage in play.

This isn’t isolationism. It’s strategic realism. Trump is drawing red lines, demanding results, and refusing to let America be the world’s ATM. That’s not controversial—it’s common sense.
 
 

tRump found out

tRump found out that Putin is going to do what he wants

tRump said that he would sanction Russia when all NATO nations do the same

And all NATO nations have to stop buying oil oil from Russia

And tariff the **** out of China

He is not willing to do it on his own

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 10:23 am

He is not willing to do it on his own

You're an IDIOT. it’s common sense.

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MR-7 » 14 Sep 2025, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 11:12 am

You're an IDIOT. it’s common sense.

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just tellin you what tRump said

he ain’t gonna do **** unless every NATO nation does what he says

he knows that ain’t gonna happen 

this is a distraction for him to explain the TACO thing again 

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CoPilot says this....  

Financial Burden

• The U.S. contributes the lion’s share of NATO’s defense spending—more than all other members combined.
• Critics argue that wealthy European nations should shoulder more of their own defense costs.

Sovereignty and Strategic Flexibility

• Leaving NATO could allow the U.S. to pursue its own foreign policy without being bound by alliance obligations.
• Some believe NATO commitments entangle the U.S. in conflicts that don’t serve its direct interests.
  Outdated Mission
• Originally formed to counter the Soviet Union, NATO’s purpose is seen by some as obsolete in a post-Cold War world.
• Critics claim the alliance has expanded too broadly, diluting its strategic focus.

Uneven Burden-Sharing

• Many NATO members fail to meet the 2% GDP defense spending target, frustrating U.S. policymakers.
• This imbalance fuels the perception that the U.S. is subsidizing European security.

 

MR-7 » 14 Sep 2025, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 1:04 pm

CoPilot says this....  

Financial Burden

• The U.S. contributes the lion’s share of NATO’s defense spending—more than all other members combined.
• Critics argue that wealthy European nations should shoulder more of their own defense costs.

Sovereignty and Strategic Flexibility

• Leaving NATO could allow the U.S. to pursue its own foreign policy without being bound by alliance obligations.
• Some believe NATO commitments entangle the U.S. in conflicts that don’t serve its direct interests.
  Outdated Mission
• Originally formed to counter the Soviet Union, NATO’s purpose is seen by some as obsolete in a post-Cold War world.
• Critics claim the alliance has expanded too broadly, diluting its strategic focus.

Uneven Burden-Sharing

• Many NATO members fail to meet the 2% GDP defense spending target, frustrating U.S. policymakers.
• This imbalance fuels the perception that the U.S. is subsidizing European security.

A little sauce for that TACO?   
 

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 1:36 pm

A little sauce for that TACO? 

You will never be as smart as CoPilot. I mean, My GOD, you voted for Jimmy Dore. NATO is NOTHING without America, and they know that. NATA needs America. America does not need NATO. Got it?
 

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 10:23 am

tRump found out

tRump found out that Putin is going to do what he wants

tRump said that he would sanction Russia when all NATO nations do the same

And all NATO nations have to stop buying oil oil from Russia

And tariff the **** out of China

He is not willing to do it on his own

That's far too simplistic an answer for what Trump has done.  Is is not just one singular action that will pressure Russia to seek peace.  Trump has doubled the tariff on India to 50% in order to pressure them to stop buying Russian oil, and he's also told China that he will lower the tariff on them if they stop buying Russian oil.  Currently, the only NATO countries still buying Russian oil are Turkey, Hungary, and Slovakia, and their oil purchases are a drop in the bucket compared to India, which is buying 1.75 million barrels per day, and China's Russian oil consumption has been reduced to 1.96 million barrels per day. When those two countries find the Trump tariffs cost their economies too much, they'll reduce their Russian oil purchases further, to drain Putin of his only significant revenue stream, and when that happens, it won't matter how much the 3 NATO countries are buying.

Once again, your insane Trump hatred has led you to ignore those very pertinent facts.
 

Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2025, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 1:46 pm

That's far too simplistic an answer for what Trump has done.  Is is not just one singular action that will pressure Russia to seek peace.  Trump has doubled the tariff on India to 50% in order to pressure them to stop buying Russian oil, and he's also told China that he will lower the tariff on them if they stop buying Russian oil.  Currently, the only NATO countries still buying Russian oil are Turkey, Hungary, and Slovakia, and their oil purchases are a drop in the bucket compared to India, which is buying 1.75 million barrels per day, and China's Russian oil consumption has been reduced to 1.96 million barrels per day. When those two countries find the Trump tariffs cost their economies too much, they'll reduce their Russian oil purchases further, to drain Putin of his only significant revenue stream, and when that happens, it won't matter how much the 3 NATO countries are buying.

Once again, your insane Trump hatred has led you to ignore those very pertinent facts.

Cool story dude

tRump still backed off on his giant sanctions he said he was gonna do

Now ?

Im not gonna do it unless NATO countries do what I know they won’t do

Perfect weave of a TACO 


 

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 1:53 pm

Cool story dude

tRump still backed off on his giant sanctions he said he was gonna do

Now ?

Im not gonna do it unless NATO countries do what I know they won’t do

Perfect weave of a TACO

Hey kelly...were you just as upset when biden "backed off" of his curing cancer? 
 

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 10:23 am

tRump found out

tRump found out that Putin is going to do what he wants

tRump said that he would sanction Russia when all NATO nations do the same

And all NATO nations have to stop buying oil oil from Russia

And tariff the **** out of China

He is not willing to do it on his own

"Doing it on our own" does nothing. 
Why is NATO buying Russian oil, and financing the Ukraine war, while claiming to be on Ukraine's side?
This is a master stroke by Trump, and is the only path forward in ending this war, without sending in troops to die. 
 

golfboy » 14 Sep 2025, 2:06 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 2:06 pm

"Doing it on our own" does nothing. 
Why is NATO buying Russian oil, and financing the Ukraine war, while claiming to be on Ukraine's side?
This is a master stroke by Trump, and is the only path forward in ending this war, without sending in troops to die.

? …  I didn’t know that sending troops was a possibility 

tRump KNOWS that the NATO nations are NEVER going to do what he is asking 

the only “master stroke” is tRumps NEW demands give him and his supporters a weave to avoid the TACO label 

he KNOWS that Putin couldn’t care less about what tRump wants
 

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 1:53 pm

Cool story dude

tRump still backed off on his giant sanctions he said he was gonna do

Now ?

Im not gonna do it unless NATO countries do what I know they won’t do

Perfect weave of a TACO

That's because it doesn't matter any longer how little those 3 NATO countries buy from Russia.  Putin knows they can't survive if China and India aren't buying their oil.  Do you deny that "story", genius?
 

MR-7 » 14 Sep 2025, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 2:03 pm

Hey kelly...were you just as upset when biden "backed off" of his curing cancer?

  So …. Nuthin? 

Zeets2 » 14 Sep 2025, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 2:18 pm

That's because it doesn't matter any longer how little those 3 NATO countries buy from Russia.  Putin knows they can't survive if China and India aren't buying their oil.  Do you deny that "story", genius?

  So … nuthin about my point?

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 2:18 pm

  So …. Nuthin?

I provided more then you on this non-issue thread...it's just another TRUMP rant, from Dribbles the Ranter. 
 

MR-7 » 14 Sep 2025, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 2:25 pm

I provided more then you on this non-issue thread...it's just another TRUMP rant, from Dribbles the Ranter.

  OK

TwoIfByTea » 13 Sep 2025, 5:00 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Sep 2025, 5:00 pm

Despite the historic summit where Trump and Putin met at the Airforce Base in Alaska.

Seems sIttuation no 2 sides can agree plus add in the European Union as well..

Negotiations on the Ukraine War are basiscally Stalled for right now..

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump- ... matum-nato

I think Trump is TRYING to make some sort of peace deal.. but, I think Putin is just trying to KICK the can down the road... 

That SAID... I also think Trump is VERY close to having his fill of it (and probably already has)... so I would expect things to get even TOUGHER for Putin and Russia VERY SOON !!

For a country that is SO determined to KEEP FIGHTING.. when they are ACTUALLY getting their BUTTS handed to them in SO MANY ways (bombed Oil Production facilities, Rail Roads, Power Plants, NOT to mention government building IN MOSCOW !!)... Russia is going to be a 3rd world country pretty SOON BECAUSE of Putin...  I'm CONVINCED... that AS LONG as the U.S. and NATO continue to support them, I DON'T SEE Ukraine giving up... 

AND, with all the Economic DAMAGE that Ukraine is laying on Russia recently, and with potential sanctions coming?  The FUTURE is NOT BRIGHT for Russia !

MY GUESS?  The Russian PEOPLE will have had enough of the war LONG before Ukraine gives up, and... it will be the Russian PEOPLE who FORCE a STOP to the fighting... the ONLY PROBLEM with that is... IF they wait too long... RUSSIA WILL BE a 3rd world country, and EXPECT China to swoop in and TAKE what THEY WANT from Russia...  and it will probably be SIBERIA and surrounding provinces !!