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Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:13 am

I couldn't care less whether or not Ukraine survives, but ending the war would be a huge win for Trump, obviously something a vociferous Trump hating blowhard like you can't stand.

So YOU "get over it", ******!

What happen too Trump end this war "Day One" or next week...

Trump himself even keeps talking outta both sides his mouth as well too..

Look we well better part into Yaer 1 Trump Admin 2.0 now and the attacks and bombing attacks from both sides only getting worse by the day too

TwoIfByTea » 15 Sep 2025, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:21 am

What happen too Trump end this war "Day One" or next week...

Trump himself even keeps talking outta both sides his mouth as well too..

Look we well better part into Yaer 1 Trump Admin 2.0 now and the attacks and bombing attacks from both sides only getting worse by the day too

Obviously, Trump incorrectly believed that both Russia and Ukraine WANTED to end the war.
But Zelensky's first meeting with Trump proved that Ukraine didn't want to agree to ANY provision that returned territory to Russia, and Russia saw that and stepped up their attacks.

So yeah, Trump was wrong in his assessment, but his secondary strategy IS working, as Russia is being cut off from international sales for their oil which are now being forced by NATO and US sanctions as well as by India, Russia's largest customer, to stop buying their oil.  And China is reeling under the Trump 30% tariff which will only be lowered if they too stop buying Russian oil.

It's a sound strategy, something that a demented idiot like Biden could never have conceived of.
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:34 am

Obviously, Trump incorrectly believed that both Russia and Ukraine WANTED to end the war.
But Zelensky's first meeting with Trump proved that Ukraine didn't want to agree to ANY provision that returned territory to Russia, and Russia saw that and stepped up their attacks.

So yeah, Trump was wrong in his assessment, but his secondary strategy IS working, as Russia is being cut off from international sales for their oil which are now being forced by NATO and US sanctions as well as by India, Russia's largest customer, to stop buying their oil.  And China is reeling under the Trump 30% tariff which will only be lowered if they too stop buying Russian oil.

It's a sound strategy, something that a demented idiot like Biden could never have conceived of.

Trump has never promised no NATO membership to Ukraine "period" nor NATO advancement "East" the Former treaty and promise dating back Bush Sr admimistration during the "Soviet Union Collapse" but kept building bases admmiting Eastern European "Former" Soviet counties into since the Last 3/4 decades since..

All Moscow really wanted is Guarentees that Ukraine never join Nato because thats litterally Moscows back door too..

Then Biden and Antony Blinken and European Union kept stoking the flames which led to this INVASION and now 3 years ongoing war.

Dont forget we "repeatedly" violated the same treaty made with Russia countless times since the collapse of Soviet Union about NATO
 

Mrkelly » 14 Sep 2025, 2:22 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Sep 2025, 2:22 pm

  So … nuthin about my point?

Do you consider it "nuthin" when India has stopped purchasing Russian oil in order to avoid the Trump tariff he promised to hit them with?  Or do you consider the doubling of China's tariff that have reduced their Russian oil purchasing to also be "nuthin"?

Do you also deny that Trump's attempts to stop the war will be far more effective than the past 4 years of Biden stupidity where he did nothing but throw hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars at Ukraine?
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:46 am

Do you consider it "nuthin" when India has stopped purchasing Russian oil in order to avoid the Trump tariff he promised to hit them with?  Or do you consider the doubling of China's tariff that have reduced their Russian oil purchasing to also be "nuthin"?

Do you also deny that Trump's attempts to stop the war will be far more effective than the past 4 years of Biden stupidity where he did nothing but throw hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars at Ukraine?

Nothing "Officiall" yet sorry China, India, Russia also trade off the books in their owm currencies and hard goods straight up to avoid "SWIFT" or "Western Banking" so zero reliable statistcs there..

Secondly we today are so dependant on China and India because offshored our own "Production" capacity same stuff was offshored already "Decades" ago so those tarriff deals so full of "Exemptions" and Loopholes really looks like a slice of Swiss Cheese...

But Trump can go up on TV say Im being TOUGH with China and India too

TwoIfByTea » 15 Sep 2025, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:46 am

Trump has never promised no NATO membership to Ukraine "period" nor NATO advancement "East" the Former treaty and promise dating back Bush Sr admimistration during the "Soviet Union Collapse" but kept building bases admmiting Eastern European "Former" Soviet counties into since the Last 3/4 decades since..

All Moscow really wanted is Guarentees that Ukraine never join Nato because thats litterally Moscows back door too..

Then Biden and Antony Blinken and European Union kept stoking the flames which led to this INVASION and now 3 years ongoing war.

Dont forget we "repeatedly" violated the same treaty made with Russia countless times since the collapse of Soviet Union about NATO

You're wrong about that! 
Trump not only has made it perfectly clear that he would not approve of NATO membership for Ukraine, but also made it clear that he would not support Russia giving back the Crimean peninsula as part of the deal.

Here's where Trump tells Ukraine tells them what you deny:

'No going into Nato by Ukraine,' says Trump as Zelensky prepares for White House talks
Kathryn Armstrong BBC News 18 August 2025

 Donald Trump has said the Ukrainian president can end Russia's war "if he wants to", but there will be "no going into Nato by Ukraine" as part of a peace deal. Hours before he was due to host Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House, Trump also said there would be "no getting back" the Crimean peninsula, which Moscow illegally annexed in 2014, eight years before launching its full-scale invasion.

Here's another Trump statement which you're apparently unaware of:

'He was never going to be a member of NATO': Trump on Ukraine President Zelenskyy
The Economic Times  Updated: 30 March, 2025
"We made a deal on rare earth, and now he's saying, well, you know, I want to renegotiate the deal. He wants to be a member of NATO. Well, he was never going to be a member of NATO. He understands that," Trump elaborated.

And Trump said it again in February:

Trump says no security promises or NATO for Ukraine
Raw Story by Agence France-Presse February 26, 2025

I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much," Trump said.

"We're going to have Europe do that," Trump said. "Europe is their next-door neighbor, but we're going to make sure everything goes well."
Asked what concessions would need to be made to end the war, he ruled out Ukrainian membership in NATO, again repeating Russia's stance that the issue was behind its invasion.

"NATO -- you can forget about," Trump said. "I think that's probably the reason the whole thing started."

Former president Joe Biden backed Ukraine's eventual membership in NATO without offering a concrete timeframe.

What you need to understand is the fact that Biden was the idiot who told the world that Ukraine could decide for themselves if they wanted to join NATO, which was a complete lie, since ONLY the existing NATO members have the power to invite additional countries into joining NATO.  Putin heard that and followed through on his promise to prevent that with the invasion, and I can't blame him one bit!

But put the blame for this war squarely on Biden's shoulders, because THAT is where the full blame lies!  Even Biden's Easter Bunny would have been smart enough not to say something that stupid!

 
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 11:18 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 11:18 am

You're wrong about that! 
Trump not only has made it perfectly clear that he would not approve of NATO membership for Ukraine, but also made it clear that he would not support Russia giving back the Crimean peninsula as part of the deal.

Here's where Trump tells Ukraine tells them what you deny:

Here's another Trump statement which you're apparently unaware of:

And Trump said it again in February:

What you need to understand is the fact that Biden was the idiot who told the world that Ukraine could decide for themselves if they wanted to join NATO, which was a complete lie, since ONLY the existing NATO members have the power to invite additional countries into joining NATO.  Putin heard that and followed through on his promise to prevent that with the invasion, and I can't blame him one bit!

But put the blame for this war squarely on Biden's shoulders, because THAT is where the full blame lies!  Even Biden's Easter Bunny would have been smart enough not to say something that stupid!

Its not just the "Crimea" anymore Russia now controls roughly 1/4 to 1/3 third annexxed Eastern Ukraines territory..

Now Trump was willing allow Russia keep the "Crimea" even possibly the Donetsk and Luhansk..

Vladimir Putin even once said We keep "Crimea" and Russian populated parts Donesk and Luhansk Oblasts right on borders..

Now neither side will give on territory and Russian Forces continue advance west from the Front taking more Ukraine towns and territorry since the negotiations and Kremlin says nope they are Russia now..

Ukraine says no way jose thats out land
 

TwoIfByTea » 15 Sep 2025, 10:59 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:59 am

Nothing "Officiall" yet sorry China, India, Russia also trade off the books in their owm currencies and hard goods straight up to avoid "SWIFT" or "Western Banking" so zero reliable statistcs there..

Secondly we today are so dependant on China and India because offshored our own "Production" capacity same stuff was offshored already "Decades" ago so those tarriff deals so full of "Exemptions" and Loopholes really looks like a slice of Swiss Cheese...

But Trump can go up on TV say Im being TOUGH with China and India too

So you're saying these stories are all lies?:

India Stops Russian Oil Buys Just Before Trump Hits with Tariffs
India is the world’s third-largest oil importer and had been the biggest buyer of Russian seaborne crude
KYIV Post by Alisa Orlova | Aug 1, 2025

Indian state-owned refineries have stopped buying Russian crude over the past week, following President Trump’s warnings about continued trade with Russia, industry sources said. The halt in purchases came just days before Trump announced a 25% tariff on Indian imports starting August 1.

 

Why India's state-owned refiners have stopped buying Russian oil
News Bytes By Dwaipayan Roy  Jul 31, 2025

India's leading state-owned oil companies have stopped buying Russian crude in the past week or so. The step comes as President Donald Trump has threatened tariffs on countries still importing from Russia. Major players like Indian Oil Corp and Bharat Petroleum Corp are now looking at the Middle East and West Africa to keep their refineries running.

 

Indian State Refiners Stop Russian Oil Imports As Trump Threatens Penalty: Report
Indian state refiners have stopped buying Russian oil due to shrinking discounts and US tariff threats, shifting to alternative sources from the Middle East and West Africa
 By Oneindia Aug 1, 2025

Indian state refiners have stopped buying oil from Russia in the last as President Trump has cautioned countries against buying oil from Moscow, Reuters reported. India ranks as the third-largest importer of oil worldwide. It is also the leading buyer of seaborne Russian crude, a crucial source of revenue for Russia amidst its ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

Even those stories that are coming out of Moscow you figure are false?:

Indian State Refineries Halt Russian Oil Imports – Reuters
The Moscow Times July 31, 2025

India’s state-owned oil refiners have not imported Russian crude over the past week as discounts have narrowed and President Trump warned that buyers of Russian oil could soon face steep tariffs, Reuters reported, citing industry sources. Indian Oil Corp, the country’s largest refiner, was among those to halt purchases. IOC operates 10 of India’s 20 refineries, with a combined annual capacity of 60 million metric tons. Other major state-owned refiners have also paused Russian oil imports. Executives at the affected companies told Reuters that Indian refineries are now turning to the spot market to fill supply gaps, ramping up purchases from Middle Eastern OPEC members and West African producers.

 
 

TwoIfByTea » 15 Sep 2025, 11:40 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 11:40 am

Its not just the "Crimea" anymore Russia now controls roughly 1/4 to 1/3 third annexxed Eastern Ukraines territory..

Now Trump was willing allow Russia keep the "Crimea" even possibly the Donetsk and Luhansk..

Vladimir Putin even once said We keep "Crimea" and Russian populated parts Donesk and Luhansk Oblasts right on borders..

Now neither side will give on territory and Russian Forces continue advance west from the Front taking more Ukraine towns and territorry since the negotiations and Kremlin says nope they are Russia now..

Ukraine says no way jose thats out land

As I said, I couldn't care less about how much territory Ukraine has to give up to end the war.
Up until now, all they've done since Trump became president was to lose MORE land.  And if a cease fire and a peace treaty are not agreed to, they'll continue to do so.

Do you not agree that Trump is making every effort to stop the war, which is a complete 180 degree turnabout from how Biden was supporting it?
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 10:09 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:09 am

You're one funny imbecile!
Yet, you're completely unaware of how Trump's edicts have affected Russian oil sales, so let me educate your stupid self once again:

So genius, are you ready to give it up to Trump for the successful policy to starve Russia's revenue in order to bring them to the negotiating table to end the war?  Or can we expect your insane hatred of Trump to continue unabated simply because you're a lying, uneducated moron?

India is buying MORE Russian oil - not less.

You are a victim of propaganda.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1jnye657l0oIndia will buy oil from where it gets 'the best deal' - envoy to Russia
24 August 2025
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Cherylann MollanBBC News, MumbaiIndia will continue to buy oil from wherever it "gets the best deal" in order to protect the interests of its 1.4 billion people, the country's ambassador to Russia has said.
 Vinay Kumar's statement comes days before US President Donald Trump's 50% tariffs on India, including a 25% penalty for buying Russian oil and weapons, are set to kick in.
 On Sunday, US Vice-President JD Vance said that Trump had announced secondary tariffs on India to apply "aggressive economic leverage" on Russia and force it to stop the war in Ukraine.
 Delhi's increased imports of cheap Russian crude since the war began has strained its ties with the US and impacted negotiations on a trade deal.Russian crude made up 35-40% of India's oil imports in 2024, up from 3% in 2021.
 The US has alleged that India's purchase of Russian oil is helping fund the war in Ukraine, a charge Delhi denies.
 On Sunday, Kumar told Russia's TASS news agency that India's trade was based on market factors and that its priority remains energy security for its population. He also reiterated India's stand that Trump's decision to impose secondary tariffs was "unfair, unreasonable and unjustified".

Did you get that, socialist?

India will buy wherever it gets THE BEST DEAL.

Google "Capitalism," you **** idiot.  

The truth is coming out about capitalism. It always comes a-callin' with a gun in its hand. But the gun is not big enough when it comes to PETROLEUM PRODUCTS, because the entire world runs on that energy, and even if people WANTED to say no, they CANNOT say no. 

Dumb ***.     
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:13 am

I couldn't care less whether or not Ukraine survives, but ending the war would be a huge win for Trump, obviously something a vociferous Trump hating blowhard like you can't stand.

So YOU "get over it", ******!

I want Trump to end the war, you stupid girl. But ending the warmeans respecting Russia's reasons for being in the war in the first place.

You are the Trump hater. Why do you hate Trump so much, you retard?

Show us on the doll where he touched you and gave you the TDS.

 

Cannonpointer » 15 Sep 2025, 12:35 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 12:35 pm

I want Trump to end the war, you stupid girl. But ending the warmeans respecting Russia's reasons for being in the war in the first place.

You are the Trump hater. Why do you hate Trump so much, you retard?

Show us on the doll where he touched you and gave you the TDS.

Will you EVER stop being such a jackass?

I voted for Trump THREE **** TIMES, you idiot!  DID YOU?  NO, YOU DIDN'T!
Now tell me where I EVER said I don't want him to end the war?  Is your reading comprehension so bad that you can't tell that I'm Trump's biggest supporter?  Who else besides me EVER pointed specifically at Biden for CAUSING this war, and it NEVER would have happened if Trump was elected in 2020. 
Didn't YOU vote for Biden?  Didn't BIDEN stupidly tell the world that Ukraine COULD join NATO if Ukraine wanted to?  
Morons like YOU are responsible for putting Biden in power, but you were too dumb to recognize what a corrupt, demented fool he was!
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Sep 2025, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 12:28 pm

India is buying MORE Russian oil - not less.

You are a victim of propaganda.

Did you get that, socialist?

India will buy wherever it gets THE BEST DEAL.

Google "Capitalism," you **** idiot.  

The truth is coming out about capitalism. It always comes a-callin' with a gun in its hand. But the gun is not big enough when it comes to PETROLEUM PRODUCTS, because the entire world runs on that energy, and even if people WANTED to say no, they CANNOT say no. 

Dumb ***.   

OK ****, so what happened?  India reneged on their agreement to curtail their oil purchased from Russia, so Trump has raised their tariff to 50%.
Let's see how long India's economy can live with that, as their action will force massive layoffs and 
 
And while we're waiting, Mexico has bent to Trump's will and raised their tariffs on India to 50%:

Mexico’s 50% tariff threatens BYD’s EV dominance
Mexican government has proposed a 50% tariff on cars imported from countries without a free trade agreement, including China. This could dramatically raise the cost of BYD vehicles and impact its stronghold in the Mexican EV market.

In 2024, BYD captured nearly half of Mexico’s EV sales, outpacing competitors like Tesla. But the proposed tariff could increase prices by up to 50%.

 

Trump’s 50% tariffs on India over Russian oil purchases take effect
By  RAJESH ROY  August 27, 2025

NEW DELHI (AP) — Steep U.S. tariffs on a range of Indian products took effect Wednesday, threatening a serious blow to India’s overseas trade in its largest export market.

President Donald Trump had initially announced a 25% tariff on Indian goods. But earlier this month he signed an executive order imposing an additional 25% tariff due to India’s purchases of Russian oil, bringing the combined tariffs imposed by the U.S. on its ally to 50%.

The Indian government estimates the tariffs will impact $48.2 billion worth of exports. Officials have warned the new duties could make shipments to the U.S. commercially unviable, triggering job losses and slower economic growth.

 

Trump’s Tariffs Will Crush India’s Exporters, Threatening Livelihoods
NY Times, Aug. 18, 2025
New U.S. taxes on American imports, even at 25 percent, will hurt many Indian businesses and may put vast numbers of people out of work.

Apparently, your somewhat limited intelligence gives you a false impression of what capitalism is capable of, since you're completely ignorant regarding how Trump's tariffs will affect countries like India and China who ONLY thrive because of US trade.

Leave it to a moron like you who never owned or ran a company to think you're an expert on the power and scope of American capitalism.
 
 
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 2:17 pm

Will you EVER stop being such a jackass?

I voted for Trump THREE **** TIMES, you idiot!

So, why the TDS, ***?
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 3:10 pm

OK ****, so what happened?  India reneged on their agreement to curtail their oil purchased from Russia, so Trump has raised their tariff to 50%.
Let's see how long India's economy can live with that, as their action will force massive layoffs and 

How long does the homosexual community believe that INdia's economy might last if it behaved as a vassal state, allowing Trump to dictate what they get to buy and where they get to buy it, you hypocritical ***?
 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 3:10 pm

And while we're waiting, Mexico has bent to Trump's will and raised their tariffs on India to 50%:

Mexico is a vassal state. The Europeans will likely follow suit, as they are also vassal states.

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 3:10 pm

Apparently, your somewhat limited intelligence gives you a false impression of what capitalism is capable of, since you're completely ignorant regarding how Trump's tariffs will affect countries like India and China who ONLY thrive because of US trade.

You're an idiot.

The USA accounts for 20% of India's foreign trade. The tariffs will absolutely hurt India.

Watch and see if the bow like bitches, as you would do.

Leave it to a moron like you who never owned or ran a company to think you're an expert on the power and scope of American capitalism.

TwoIfByTea » 13 Sep 2025, 5:00 pm » wrote: ↑

13 Sep 2025, 5:00 pm

Despite the historic summit where Trump and Putin met at the Airforce Base in Alaska.

Seems sIttuation no 2 sides can agree plus add in the European Union as well..

Negotiations on the Ukraine War are basiscally Stalled for right now..

zerohedge /energy/trump-backs-promise-sanction-russia-issues-ultimatum-nato

150 days short and 150 Billion dollars not spent.

Maintenace is cheap.

Rebranding the DoD the DoW costs you and me 2 billion dollars.  CI3 Atlas is no joke.  Odd it timed its arrival with ripe red hats ready for harvest in The War of the World's


 

Zeets2 » 15 Sep 2025, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 12:02 pm

As I said, I couldn't care less about how much territory Ukraine has to give up to end the war.
Up until now, all they've done since Trump became president was to lose MORE land.  And if a cease fire and a peace treaty are not agreed to, they'll continue to do so.

Do you not agree that Trump is making every effort to stop the war, which is a complete 180 degree turnabout from how Biden was supporting it?

I do Agree Trump is atleast trying "YES" but the Goal Posts keep changing..

Listen no Ukraine Nato membership "Ever" and now throw the ball back to Kremlin.

As far as "Sanctions" meaningless they have "Back Channels" 4 Payment and Shadow Fleets of Tankers ships with no GPS or turned off cannot be acuratelly "Monitered" even by sattelites
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Sep 2025, 3:42 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 3:42 pm

How long does the homosexual community believe that INdia's economy might last if it behaved as a vassal state, allowing Trump to dictate what they get to buy and where they get to buy it, you hypocritical ***?
 
Mexico is a vassal state. The Europeans will likely follow suit, as they are also vassal states.

You're an idiot.

The USA accounts for 20% of India's foreign trade. The tariffs will absolutely hurt India.

Watch and see if the bow like bitches, as you would do.

Leave it to a moron like you who never owned or ran a company to think you're an expert on the power and scope of American capitalism.

You've made yourself out to be the expert on the homosexual community, so ask yourself!
As far as the rest of us go, I couldn't give two **** what someone in India or Mexico has available to buy.  Why a dope like YOU would is beyond me!
And the whole point of Trump's increasing of the tariffs on India IS TO HURT THEIR ECONOMY!  How could you possibly be so dumb that you don't understand that?  When their economy crashes as a result of Trump's tariffs, they will relent and agree to stop buying Russian oil, which will help bring their war to an end.
I've already proven here that my career has included five distinct businesses that I've owned or been a partner of over the last 50 years and THAT stopped your stupid lies cold for the last couple of years. 

Do you really need me to rub your dumb nose in your lies yet again, loser?  Not everyone here has been such a failure in their career as you obviously have!

 

Cannonpointer » 15 Sep 2025, 3:37 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 3:37 pm

So, why the TDS, ***?

That's not something I suffer from, ******!
Aren't YOU the idiot that voted for a corrupt pedophile named Biden instead of Trump in 2020?
Talk about LOSERS!!!       
 

Zeets2 » 16 Sep 2025, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

16 Sep 2025, 10:10 am

You've made yourself out to be the expert on the homosexual community, so ask yourself!
As far as the rest of us go, I couldn't give two **** what someone in India or Mexico has available to buy.  Why a dope like YOU would is beyond me!

I'm answering YOU, retard. You're the one harping on it, incorrectly insisting that India is no longer buying Russian oil when in fact it has doubled down.

And the whole point of Trump's increasing of the tariffs on India IS TO HURT THEIR ECONOMY!  They will never sit still for it - they will find other trading partners. They are already doing so. How could you possibly be so dumb that you don't understand that? 

AI OverviewNo, the premise that India is buying less oil from Russia due to Trump's tariffs is incorrect. While former President Donald Trump, who returned to office in January 2025, has imposed tariffs on India over its Russian oil purchases, India has continued buying Russian oil based on market economics and national energy needs. 
India's oil purchases from Russia

[*]Increased volume: After Western nations began shunning Russian energy following the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, India dramatically increased its purchases of discounted Russian crude. Before 2022, Russia made up less than 1% of India's oil imports. By 2025, that share grew to more than a third of its total intake, making Russia India's top oil supplier.
[*]Reliance on Russian oil: Indian officials have stated that halting imports would disrupt its supply chain, cause domestic fuel prices to soar, and undermine the country's energy security.[/list]

AI says you're stewpid, stewpid.

Zeets2 » 16 Sep 2025, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

16 Sep 2025, 10:10 am

When their economy crashes as a result of Trump's tariffs, they will relent and agree to stop buying Russian oil, which will help bring their war to an end.

Their economy is DEFINITELY going to feel some serious pain from Trump's tariffs. They count on US markets for 20% of their foreign trade. They will likely lose about half of that, due to the increased prices of goods from India when AMERICAN CONSUMERS have to pay more for their goods.

Trump is punishing AMERICAN CONSUMERS to hurt India - not to bring back jobs, no no no - but to hurt India. And it isn't about buying Russian oil. That oil is GOING TO BE BOUGHT. The world runs on it - only an idiot with no experience in business could fail to grasp that. This is to punish India for being a member of BRICS.

Zeets2 » 16 Sep 2025, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

16 Sep 2025, 10:10 am

I've already proven here that my career has included five distinct businesses that I've owned or been a partner of over the last 50 years and THAT stopped your stupid lies cold for the last couple of years.

Sorry, but you cannot even tell a hybrid from an EV. You don't even understand how tariffs work. You're an idiot. Idiots do not run businesses.