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Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html



Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....



as awesome as he is.
 

Make Argentina Great Again

Make American farmers welfare queens again

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html


 

The emergency wasn’t “created” by Trump — it was triggered by China’s retaliation in a high-stakes trade war. The bailouts were strategic countermeasures, not giveaways. And the Argentina deal? That’s geopolitical maneuvering, not agricultural charity.
 

MR-7 » 21 Oct 2025, 8:56 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 8:56 am

The emergency wasn’t “created” by Trump — it was triggered by China’s retaliation in a high-stakes trade war. The bailouts were strategic countermeasures, not giveaways. And the Argentina deal? That’s geopolitical maneuvering, not agricultural charity.

The emergency wasn’t “created” by Trump — it was triggered by China’s retaliation in a high-stakes trade war

you understand that you're a bit soft in the skull, right?

The bailouts were strategic countermeasures, not giveaways.

Counter whom?

And the Argentina deal? That’s geopolitical maneuvering, not agricultural charity.

Natch...the Charity is a bug, not a feature...



 

Blackvegetable » 47 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

47 minutes ago

Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html

Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....

as awesome as he is.

No one is telling me too, but I believe you are a lying *** **** stain .

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 9:11 am

you understand that you're a bit soft in the skull, right?

Counter whom?

Natch...the Charity is a bug, not a feature...

“Soft in the skull”? Let’s talk facts, not flailing.

“The emergency wasn’t ‘created’ by Trump — it was triggered by China’s retaliation…”

Fact check: China’s soybean boycott was a tactical response to U.S. tariffs — not a spontaneous market tantrum. Trump didn’t “create” the emergency; he provoked a necessary confrontation with a trade partner that’s been gaming the system for decades. That’s called economic deterrence, not skull softness.

“The bailouts were strategic countermeasures, not giveaways.” “Counter whom?”

Counter China’s economic pressure, genius. When Beijing pulled the plug on U.S. soybeans, Trump redirected tariff revenue to stabilize domestic producers. That’s not charity — that’s economic triage in a trade war. You don’t leave your frontline producers bleeding while you renegotiate the battlefield.

“And the Argentina deal? That’s geopolitical maneuvering, not agricultural charity.” “Natch… the Charity is a bug, not a feature…”

Exactly. The Argentina deal isn’t about soybeans — it’s about currency stabilization and strategic alignment with a pro-U.S. reformer in Latin America. If you think that’s a bug, you’re missing the entire software stack. It’s not agricultural charity — it’s regional influence ops with a fiscal wrapper.

Bottom line: The emergency wasn’t self-inflicted — it was a calculated escalation. The bailouts weren’t handouts — they were shock absorbers. And the Argentina deal? That’s foreign policy with teeth, not a farm subsidy.

Try educating yourself and not looking so **** ignorant.
 
 
 

MR-7 » 21 Oct 2025, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 9:40 am

“Soft in the skull”? Let’s talk facts, not flailing.

Fact check: China’s soybean boycott was a tactical response to U.S. tariffs — not a spontaneous market tantrum. Trump didn’t “create” the emergency; he provoked a necessary confrontation with a trade partner that’s been gaming the system for decades. That’s called economic deterrence, not skull softnening.


Counter China’s economic pressure, genius. When Beijing pulled the plug on U.S. soybeans, Trump redirected tariff revenue to stabilize domestic producers. That’s not charity — that’s economic triage in a trade war. You don’t leave your frontline producers bleeding while you renegotiate the battlefield.

Exactly. The Argentina deal isn’t about soybeans — it’s about currency stabilization and strategic alignment with a pro-U.S. reformer in Latin America. If you think that’s a bug, you’re missing the entire software stack. It’s not agricultural charity — it’s regional influence ops with a fiscal wrapper.

Bottom line: The emergency wasn’t self-inflicted — it was a calculated escalation. The bailouts weren’t handouts — they were shock absorbers. And the Argentina deal? That’s foreign policy with teeth, not a farm subsidy.

Try educating yourself and not looking so **** ignorant.

Trump didn’t “create” the emergency; he provoked a necessary confrontation 

The seasons, they go round and round,

And the painted ponies go up and down...

Trump redirected tariff revenue to stabilize domestic producers. That’s not charity — that’s economic ​​​​​​​triage in a trade war. You don’t leave your frontline producers bleeding while you renegotiate the battlefield.

He PUT THEM IN THE FIRING LINE, YOU **** IDIOT.

it’s regional influence ops with a fiscal wrapper.

It is to support the currency.....that is not "fiscal", it's MONETARY, you **** idiot.

Bottom line: The emergency wasn’t self-inflicted — it was a calculated escalation.

​​​​​​​Bottom line - if you're **** dumb enough to pay for full time awd on a rolling living room in Florida, you should kill yourself. 

Blackvegetable » Today, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

Today, 8:42 am

Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html



Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....



as awesome as he is.
 

 

Start discussing his actual policies.

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am

Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html

Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....

as awesome as he is.

 

U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue was fielding questions at a farm show in Decatur, Ill., in late August when his boss rang his cellphone. Perdue put the call on speaker and placed it next to the microphone so the crowd could hear Donald Trump speak. During the almost seven-minute call the president defended his handling of the trade conflict with China, which has cut off American farmers from one of their most important export markets. Yet he was quick to remind them that he’s tried to salve their pain. “I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that ‘oh jeez, the farmers are upset.’ Well, they can’t be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year,” said Trump, who then added, “I hope you like me even better than you did in ’16.”


Yup...just reached into America's pocket and handed them 16 bill.
But that's not the punchline....


A couple of years ago, a pep talk from Trump might have drawn raucous applause from one of the president’s key constituencies. This time the crowd was subdued. “The aid package that has come in is a relief, and it softens the landing, but it’s not a solution, it’s a Band-Aid,” says Stan Born, a farmer who attended the event. When asked if the payments make him whole, Born, who grows 500 acres of soybeans near Decatur, responds, “Of course not.” He’d rather have free trade, he says.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... a-solution

https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI?si=uyfxh4Ik-9c-FIHd










 

jerrab » 21 Oct 2025, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 11:01 am

 

The 2018 bailout was a response to initial trade shocks. The 2025 aid package reflects a matured strategy: using tariff revenue to stabilize domestic producers while leveraging foreign aid to secure strategic alliances. It’s not zero-sum—it’s multi-front economic diplomacy.


 

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 12:27 pm

U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue was fielding questions at a farm show in Decatur, Ill., in late August when his boss rang his cellphone. Perdue put the call on speaker and placed it next to the microphone so the crowd could hear Donald Trump speak. During the almost seven-minute call the president defended his handling of the trade conflict with China, which has cut off American farmers from one of their most important export markets. Yet he was quick to remind them that he’s tried to salve their pain. “I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that ‘oh jeez, the farmers are upset.’ Well, they can’t be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year,” said Trump, who then added, “I hope you like me even better than you did in ’16.”

Yup...just reached into America's pocket and handed them 16 bill.
But that's not the punchline....

A couple of years ago, a pep talk from Trump might have drawn raucous applause from one of the president’s key constituencies. This time the crowd was subdued. “The aid package that has come in is a relief, and it softens the landing, but it’s not a solution, it’s a Band-Aid,” says Stan Born, a farmer who attended the event. When asked if the payments make him whole, Born, who grows 500 acres of soybeans near Decatur, responds, “Of course not.” He’d rather have free trade, he says.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... a-solution

https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI?si=uyfxh4Ik-9c-FIHd

12 billion tax dollars to farmers who would not need it in the first place if not for trump's tariffs is not very considerate to american tax payers who have to foot the bill.

china would have liked  to carry on business as usual.

now  trump will do a song and dance how broke america is but it would not be broke if he left things the way they were.

i

 

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 12:27 pm

U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue was fielding questions at a farm show in Decatur, Ill., in late August when his boss rang his cellphone. Perdue put the call on speaker and placed it next to the microphone so the crowd could hear Donald Trump speak. During the almost seven-minute call the president defended his handling of the trade conflict with China, which has cut off American farmers from one of their most important export markets. Yet he was quick to remind them that he’s tried to salve their pain. “I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that ‘oh jeez, the farmers are upset.’ Well, they can’t be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year,” said Trump, who then added, “I hope you like me even better than you did in ’16.”

Yup...just reached into America's pocket and handed them 16 bill.
But that's not the punchline....

A couple of years ago, a pep talk from Trump might have drawn raucous applause from one of the president’s key constituencies. This time the crowd was subdued. “The aid package that has come in is a relief, and it softens the landing, but it’s not a solution, it’s a Band-Aid,” says Stan Born, a farmer who attended the event. When asked if the payments make him whole, Born, who grows 500 acres of soybeans near Decatur, responds, “Of course not.” He’d rather have free trade, he says.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... a-solution

https://youtu.be/hYTQ7__NNDI?si=uyfxh4Ik-9c-FIHd

no bidding yet?

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am

Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html

Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....

as awesome as he is.

 

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am

Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html

Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....

as awesome as he is.

The New York Times?

Got any reputable sources, Cornhole?

Democrats are sheep. They do exactly what they are told to do. They cannot think for themselves.

RebelGator » 21 Oct 2025, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 1:57 pm

The New York Times?

Got any reputable sources, Cornhole?

Name a few, Coward...


**** idiot.
 

ROG62 » 21 Oct 2025, 12:50 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 12:50 pm

no bidding yet?

Not a prayer, Roger...

Remember....you're morons...
 

MR-7 » 21 Oct 2025, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 12:44 pm

The 2018 bailout was a response to initial trade shocks. The 2025 aid package reflects a matured strategy: using tariff revenue to stabilize domestic producers while leveraging foreign aid to secure strategic alliances. It’s not zero-sum—it’s multi-front economic diplomacy.

You work on sorting fiscal from monetary..

Imbecile. 
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am » wrote: ↑

21 Oct 2025, 8:42 am

Once again, President Trump says he’s preparing an emergency bailout for struggling farmers. And once again, it’s because of an emergency he created. 

China has stopped buying U.S. soybeans to protest Mr. Trump’s tariffs on imports. In response, Mr. Trump plans to send billions of dollars of tariff revenue to U.S. soybean farmers who no longer have buyers for their crops. At the same time, Argentina has taken advantage of Mr. Trump’s tariffs to sell more of its own soybeans to China — yet Mr. Trump is planning to bail out Argentina, too.

This may seem nonsensical, especially since Mr. Trump already shoveled at least $28 billion to farmers hurt by his first trade war in 2018. But it actually makes perfect sense. It’s what happens when Mr. Trump’s zero-sum philosophy of trade — which is that there are always winners and losers, and he should get to choose the winners — collides with Washington’s sycophantic approach to agriculture, which ensures that farmers always win and taxpayers always lose. In the end, Mr. Trump’s allies, including President Javier Milei of Argentina and the politically influential agricultural community, will get paid, and you will pay.


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/opin ... riffs.html



Now, Morans, I understand that any discussion of Meathead's actual policies is "TDS", by definition, but try to focus on a defense of them rather than another pathetic complaint about The Ghost Who Walks....



as awesome as he is.
 

You keep saying my brain cannot navigate eternal life by honestly adapting in plain sight and I need to always mind what you choose to believe possible without questioning how I exist in series parallel space equally timed apart by the pulse of my sole heart and brain positioned uniquely me since conceived.

You know, that self evident part of being me without everyone telling me to serve idealists promising time changes everything while everything universally here is never same total sum evolving forward, twice each heart beat added to my form never same total sum achieved by the next heart beat since conceived as a sole inhabitant of this atmosphere equally alive as my siblings, cousins, parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents and their siblings that married an expanded my past ancestry forward.

Honestly believing isn't same results as honesty accepting all one has been since conception as societies only celebrate each individual's date of birth 0-9 months after arriving in their original form of a fertilize cell