a little background about trumps lawsuit about documents

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By jerra b
22 Oct 2025 11:12 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Judge Aileen Cannon is a U.S. district judge appointed by Donald Trump who has presided over Trump's classified documents case and related legal matters. She gained notoriety for dismissing the classified documents case, a decision that was later appealed, and for issuing conflicting rulings regarding the release of a special counsel report on Trump's election subversion case. Cannon was also considered for the role of Attorney General by Trump. 
 
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 11:12 am » wrote: Judge Aileen Cannon is a U.S. district judge appointed by Donald Trump who has presided over Trump's classified documents case and related legal matters. She gained notoriety for dismissing the classified documents case, a decision that was later appealed, and for issuing conflicting rulings regarding the release of a special counsel report on Trump's election subversion case. Cannon was also considered for the role of Attorney General by Trump.
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  • Discovery and retrieval: In 2021, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) began requesting presidential records that had been improperly taken to Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate. After initial boxes were returned in early 2022, a NARA review found them to contain classified material.
  • FBI search and indictment: Because authorities believed more classified documents remained at Mar-a-Lago, the FBI obtained and executed a search warrant in August 2022, recovering over 100 additional classified records. In June 2023, a federal grand jury indicted Trump on 40 criminal counts, including willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act and conspiracy to obstruct justice.
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 11:13 am » wrote:
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  • Discovery and retrieval: In 2021, the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) began requesting presidential records that had been improperly taken to Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate. After initial boxes were returned in early 2022, a NARA review found them to contain classified material.
  • FBI search and indictment: Because authorities believed more classified documents remained at Mar-a-Lago, the FBI obtained and executed a search warrant in August 2022, recovering over 100 additional classified records. In June 2023, a federal grand jury indicted Trump on 40 criminal counts, including willful retention of national defense information under the Espionage Act and conspiracy to obstruct justice.

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The Presidential Records Act (PRA) is a 1978 U.S. law that designates presidential records as the property of the government, not the president, and mandates their preservation for public access after a presidential term. Enacted to change the ownership of presidential documents from private to public, it requires the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to manage and maintain these records. The PRA also outlines how records are accessed, allowing for restrictions on certain documents and making records available to the public through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. 
Key provisions of the PRA
  • Government ownership
    All official records created or received by the president and their staff are owned by the United States government. 
  • Public preservation
    The PRA mandates that these records be preserved and managed by NARA at the end of the administration. 
  • Access and restrictions
    The Act specifies that some records may be restricted for up to 12 years if they are classified, relate to federal appointments, or are confidential communications between the president and advisors. 
  • Public access
    After a 12-year restriction period, records are subject to the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), allowing the public to request access to them. 
  • Record keeping
    The PRA requires that any official business conducted through non-official electronic messaging accounts must be copied to an official account to preserve records. 
  • Disciplinary actions
    Individuals who intentionally violate the act's record-keeping requirements may be subject to disciplinary action. 
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====================Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.
Codifies the process by which former and incumbent Presidents conduct reviews for executive privilege prior to public release of records by NARA (which had formerly been governed by Executive order 13489).
Establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent Administrations to obtain “special access” to records from NARA that remain closed to the public, following a privilege review period by the former and incumbent Presidents; the procedures governing such special access requests continue to be governed by the relevant provisions of E.O. 13489.
Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)
Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records.
 
 
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The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

Specifically, the PRA:

Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.
Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.
Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
Establishes in law that any incumbent Presidential records (whether textual or electronic) held on courtesy storage by the Archivist remain in the exclusive legal custody of the President and that any request or order for access to such records must be made to the President, not NARA.
Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
 
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22 Oct 2025 12:34 pm
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----------------------Legally, it was not right for Donald Trump to take the classified documents after leaving office. Under the Presidential Records Act of 1978, all presidential records belong to the U.S. government and must be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of a president's term. Trump's actions led to a federal indictment on charges that he illegally retained national defense information and obstructed government efforts to retrieve them
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 12:34 pm » wrote: ----------------------Legally, it was not right for Donald Trump to take the classified documents after leaving office. Under the Presidential Records Act of 1978, all presidential records belong to the U.S. government and must be turned over to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) at the end of a president's term. Trump's actions led to a federal indictment on charges that he illegally retained national defense information and obstructed government efforts to retrieve them
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Key legal and ethical considerations include:
  • Government ownership: The Presidential Records Act, passed in 1978, established that presidential and vice-presidential records are public property, not the personal property of the office holder.
  • Improper retention: Trump unlawfully retained hundreds of documents, some with the highest classification markings, and stored them in insecure locations at his Mar-a-Lago estate.
  • Legal experts' opinion: Legal scholars and national security practitioners have consistently stated there is no merit to Trump's claims that he had an "absolute right" to keep the documents.
  • Obstruction allegations: The federal indictment against Trump alleged that he willfully retained classified documents, showed them to unauthorized individuals, and attempted to obstruct the government's efforts to retrieve them.
  • Willful misconduct: A key factor in the legal case was the allegation of willful misconduct and obstruction. In contrast, other politicians who have been found with classified materials, such as President Joe Biden and former Vice President Mike Pence, returned the records when discovered and were not found to have been obstructive. 
 
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22 Oct 2025 12:39 pm
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Who appointed judge Cannon?
Aileen Cannon
Incumbent
Assumed office November 13, 2020
Appointed by Donald Trump
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22 Oct 2025 2:34 pm
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As we see in this thread.....

TDS is such a vicious mental disease

it really **** you up in the head

Like a Maine Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Senate candidate who doubles as a Nazi

How can a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat be a communist and a national socialist at the same time?

Does he attack himself?....threaten himself?....

Is he constantly at war with himself throwing sucker punches at himself and then running away?..from himself?

I'll add a link to this one because our resident Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat posters here at NHB aren't bright enough to search for the story.....they need to see it

Maine Democratic Senate candidate insists he's 'not a secret Nazi' after controversial tattoo reveal

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mai ... p_catchall
 
 
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nefarious101 » 22 Oct 2025, 2:34 pm » wrote: As we see in this thread.....

TDS is such a vicious mental disease

it really **** you up in the head

Like a Maine Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Senate candidate who doubles as a Nazi

How can a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat be a communist and a national socialist at the same time?

Does he attack himself?....threaten himself?....

Is he constantly at war with himself throwing sucker punches at himself and then running away?..from himself?

I'll add a link to this one because our resident Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat posters here at NHB aren't bright enough to search for the story.....they need to see it

Maine Democratic Senate candidate insists he's 'not a secret Nazi' after controversial tattoo reveal

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mai ... p_catchall

changing the subject from trump getting 250 million dollars from american tax payers to someone's tattoos.

somehow I am not surprised.
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nefarious101 » 22 Oct 2025, 2:34 pm » wrote: As we see in this thread.....

TDS is such a vicious mental disease

it really **** you up in the head

Like a Maine Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Senate candidate who doubles as a Nazi

How can a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat be a communist and a national socialist at the same time?

Does he attack himself?....threaten himself?....

Is he constantly at war with himself throwing sucker punches at himself and then running away?..from himself?

I'll add a link to this one because our resident Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat posters here at NHB aren't bright enough to search for the story.....they need to see it

Maine Democratic Senate candidate insists he's 'not a secret Nazi' after controversial tattoo reveal

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/mai ... p_catchall

and I like susan collins.
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 3:05 pm » wrote: changing the subject from trump getting 250 million dollars from american tax payers to someone's tattoos.

somehow I am not surprised.

Nope....don't have to TRY to change the subject....

We are the WINNERS...you are our subjects

 
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 3:07 pm » wrote: and I like susan collins.
Susan Collins is a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Rino...of course you like her.

We have a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Nazi in Maine running for Senate a 

and Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Communist Nazi running for mayor in NY

a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat fake Indian in the Senate

a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat colored guy in the Senate who thinks he's Spartacus 

you people are really **** up in the head

which bring us full circle back to the fact that none of you are capable of running anything....including your own lives

 
 
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nefarious101 » 22 Oct 2025, 3:56 pm » wrote: Susan Collins is a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Rino...of course you like her.

We have a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Nazi in Maine running for Senate a 

and Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat Communist Nazi running for mayor in NY

a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat fake Indian in the Senate

a Pedo=Progressive LGBT Democrat colored guy in the Senate who thinks he's Spartacus 

you people are really **** up in the head

which bring us full circle back to the fact that none of you are capable of running anything....including your own lives
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What percentage of LGBTQ people are Republican?
It also found that 18% of LGBTQ+ Americans age 18 to 34 years old and aged 35 to 54 years old are Republican or lean Republican, compared to 29% among LGBTQ+ Americans over the age of 55 years.
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 4:13 pm » wrote: --------------------------------

What percentage of LGBTQ people are Republican?
It also found that 18% of LGBTQ+ Americans age 18 to 34 years old and aged 35 to 54 years old are Republican or lean Republican, compared to 29% among LGBTQ+ Americans over the age of 55 years.

what does that matter?

is politics just what you can suck on or stick up your ***?

or is it just skin color?

that's how shallow you people are
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nefarious101 » 22 Oct 2025, 3:49 pm » wrote: Nope....don't have to TRY to change the subject....

We are the WINNERS...you are our subjects

trump has jumped the shark this time.
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22 Oct 2025 4:40 pm
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 4:32 pm » wrote: trump has jumped the shark this time.

ohhhhh....let me guess?

"You Got Him Now!".....number 2137


ROTFFLMFAO

you really need to think more before posting such nonsense
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22 Oct 2025 4:44 pm
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nefarious101 » 22 Oct 2025, 4:40 pm » wrote: ohhhhh....let me guess?

"You Got Him Now!".....number 2137

ROTFFLMFAO

you really need to think more before posting such nonsense

people are not as crooked or as dumb as you.  they know he is guilty and he should not ger one american penny.
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22 Oct 2025 4:51 pm
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jerrab » 22 Oct 2025, 4:44 pm » wrote: people are not as crooked or as dumb as you.  they know he is guilty and he should not ger one american penny.

yes....everyone else is dumb except you

a fake news story hits and you immediately yell, "We got him now"...for an entire decade no less

seriously...do you know how stupid that make you all look?....check the polls
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22 Oct 2025 4:57 pm
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nefarious101 » 22 Oct 2025, 4:51 pm » wrote: yes....everyone else is dumb except you

a fake news story hits and you immediately yell, "We got him now"...for an entire decade no less

seriously...do you know how stupid that make you all look?....check the polls
it is NOT A FAKE NEWS STORY.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-just ... nal-cases/
 
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