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*Beekeeper » 07 Nov 2025, 4:15 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:15 pm

And you can put lipstick on a PIG and it's still a **** PIG!!

just following your logic

you said 

“Norway is not a socialist nation; it is a social democracy with a mixed-market capitalist economy.” 

so Mamdani is NOT a socialist either… he is a democratic socialist 

*Beekeeper » 07 Nov 2025, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:17 pm

If you want you can do that.

The one preferred by most is the one in Marx' Communist Manifesto.

Oh, I would NEVER presume to define socialism. You **** demand that it remain undefined, so that you can shout it willy nilly. 

For example, when you were queerly demanding that people show where "socialism/communism" has ever "worked." 

Are socialism and communism the same thing? Why two words for the same thing?

If they are not the same thing, what distinguishes them? Could it be that under communism, the state owns ALL means of production, and under socialism the state owns only the lion's share?

You girls have more little rules that only come out on a "sometimes y, i before e" basis. The definition is spanking new each timeyou use the word. 
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Nov 2025, 4:23 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:23 pm

Oh, I would NEVER presume to define socialism. You **** demand that it remain undefined, so that you can shout it willy nilly. 

For example, when you were queerly demanding that people show where "socialism/communism" has ever "worked." 

Are socialism and communism the same thing? Why two words for the same thing?

If they are not the same thing, what distinguishes them? Could it be that under communism, the state owns ALL means of production, and under socialism the state owns only the lion's share?

You girls have more little rules that only come out on a "sometimes y, i before e" basis. The definition is spanking new each timeyou use the word.

Seems it is YOU who refused to "define" much of anything so you can stroke that massive ego of yours with your "I am always right" TRIPE and ****!!

Leans something. 

Communism

• Ownership: No private property; all means of production are communally owned.
• Control: A strong, central state controls all aspects of economic production and distribution.
• Distribution: Goods are distributed based on need: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
• Method of Change: A violent revolution by the working class to overthrow the existing capitalist system. 

Socialism

• Ownership: Private property can exist, but the main industries and means of production are communally owned.
• Control: The government (often democratically elected) manages the communally owned means of production.
• Distribution: Compensation is typically based on one's contribution.
• Method of Change: Gradual, democratic reform and change within the existing political structure.   

Mrkelly » 07 Nov 2025, 4:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:22 pm

just following your logic

you said 

“Norway is not a socialist nation; it is a social democracy with a mixed-market capitalist economy.” 

so Mamdani is NOT a socialist either… he is a democratic socialist 

Before you start spewing your usual ****, perhaps you need to EDUCATE YOURSELF on what the DSA stands for and PROMOTES!!

And it's NOT "Social Democracy", but pure MARXIST SOCIALISM!!

YOU want to put lipstick on that PIG and call it beautiful. I call it what it is- A FAILURE IN THE MAKING AS ALL SOCIALISM IS!!

DSA_WDM2025Program_v2.pdf

ROG62 » 05 Nov 2025, 8:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2025, 8:39 am

with the delusional promises of free ****? It's all they've done for the last 40 years...

About that free ****, of course it's what they done for years but Mamdani is in a class of it's own..

 

https://youtu.be/EreTBRc4LWo
 

*Beekeeper » 08 Nov 2025, 7:13 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 7:13 am

Before you start spewing your usual ****, perhaps you need to EDUCATE YOURSELF on what the DSA stands for and PROMOTES!!

And it's NOT "Social Democracy", but pure MARXIST SOCIALISM!!

YOU want to put lipstick on that PIG and call it beautiful. I call it what it is- A FAILURE IN THE MAKING AS ALL SOCIALISM IS!!

DSA_WDM2025Program_v2.pdf

can’t be according to you 

““Norway is not a socialist nation; it is a social democracy with a mixed-market capitalist economy.” 

*Beekeeper » 08 Nov 2025, 7:04 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 7:04 am

Seems it is YOU who refused to "define" much of anything so you can stroke that massive ego of yours with your "I am always right" TRIPE and ****!!

Leans something. 

Communism

• Ownership: No private property; all means of production are communally owned.
• Control: A strong, central state controls all aspects of economic production and distribution.
• Distribution: Goods are distributed based on need: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
• Method of Change: A violent revolution by the working class to overthrow the existing capitalist system. 

Socialism

• Ownership: Private property can exist, but the main industries and means of production are communally owned.
• Control: The government (often democratically elected) manages the communally owned means of production.
• Distribution: Compensation is typically based on one's contribution.
• Method of Change: Gradual, democratic reform and change within the existing political structure.   

So you were being stupid, then, when you rhetorically demanded that anyone defend comnism.

And you were setting yourself up to look stupid on sosha lizzum, since Norway is making a fine go of it. The government of Norway owns  35% of the total value on the Oslo Stock Exchange. 

Okay - quibble now. 

Cannonpointer » 08 Nov 2025, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:17 am

So you were being stupid, then, when you rhetorically demanded that anyone defend comnism.

And you were setting yourself up to look stupid on sosha lizzum, since Norway is making a fine go of it. The government of Norway owns  35% of the total value on the Oslo Stock Exchange. 

Okay - quibble now.

You funny little cretin boi.

The ONLY one looking STOOPID here is YOU, ASSSUCK!!

Please, stop because you trying to defend COMMUNISM or SOCIALISM is only proving how totally correct WE ALL ARE when it comes to your malignant narcissist ASSHOLE SELF!!

Run along now. This is DONE, FINISHED, and A WRAP!!

*Beekeeper » 08 Nov 2025, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:21 am

You funny little cretin boi.

The ONLY one looking STOOPID here is YOU, ASSSUCK!!

Please, stop because you trying to defend COMMUNISM or SOCIALISM is only proving how totally correct WE ALL ARE when it comes to your malignant narcissist ASSHOLE SELF!!

Run along now. This is DONE, FINISHED, and A WRAP!!

We allnotice your failure to respond, fruitcake. 

Licking your wounds and shouting curses is not a refutation. It's a surrender. 
 

Cannonpointer » 08 Nov 2025, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:27 am

We allnotice your failure to respond, fruitcake. 

Licking your wounds and shouting curses is not a refutation. It's a surrender.

     

Cannonpointer » Yesterday, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

Yesterday, 10:17 am

So you were being stupid, then, when you rhetorically demanded that anyone defend comnism.

And you were setting yourself up to look stupid on sosha lizzum, since Norway is making a fine go of it. The government of Norway owns  35% of the total value on the Oslo Stock Exchange. 

Okay - quibble now. 

There are 3 million more people living in NYC than live in Norway. Please, stop defining life evolving metaphorically than space time as more than this perpetually balancing outcomes of a universe here now.

Between nothing at all and everything existing spontaneously separated simultaneously moving specifically inhabiting space simultaneously proportionately present in specificity of location here now.

Evolving is a natural timing of existing in plain sight. reality is interpretations living could be more than actually took place so far. That planning for tomorrow 7 days a week existing per heartbeat pounding now regardless embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent, puberty, adult, 1 of 2 parents, 1 of 4 grandparents, 1 of 8 great grandparents, 1 of 16 great great grandparents alive or dead to each great great grandchild replacing pervious 4 generations lived so far.

Name a species with hearts beating and brain navigating space now evolves beyond time lived since their original fertilized cell inception to extinction of each body alive now?

Genetics sustains numbers present. Ideas suggest people can socially exceed being alive beyond their heart beating here now on intellectual planes(realities) context defining who's who as ranked significant t0 social consensus dawn to dusk daily here between midnight to noon AM and noon to midnight PM halves of Northern and southern hemispheres having opposite seasons daily here.

See how everything I discuss is covered between spontaneously separate details regardless combinations of periodic elements that erode and chromosomes combined as genetic lifetimes inhabit space specifically one of a kind by DNA streaming of current population of the entire food chain native to this planet, this solar system, this galaxy, this universal time evolving changes everything existed so far governed by theories and theologies since dawn civilization managed ancestrally here in plain sight. a recorded human behavior present.

What does self evident time living displace for each to exist since personally conceived by their 30 previous ancestors lived last century or more. <y parents lived 77 and 84 years, my grandparents died in their 80's, my grandparents died in their 80's the rest I don't know because I never cared about the dead.

I care about now living works naturally timing reproductions being alive as eternally separated equally alive this rotation. Humanity promises nobody can understand relative time alive today beyond factual speculation living is eternal life on intellectual platitudes beyond adapting here since conceived one at time chronological order of current population live since inception in this atmosphere.

Peace comes when all ancestral lineages of this species stop pretending each generation gap forward now isn't eternity.

Roshambo » 05 Nov 2025, 4:05 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2025, 4:05 pm

Answer my question

IF....that's a big word......

Jantje_Smit » 08 Nov 2025, 7:34 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 7:34 am

About that free ****, of course it's what they done for years but Mamdani is in a class of it's own..

 

https://youtu.be/EreTBRc4LWo

Roshambo » 05 Nov 2025, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2025, 7:40 am

Similar to Trump, Mamdani's circumstances were straightforward: wholly committed to improving affordability for working-class Americans — and then sincerely deliver on this promise while serving in office.

Mamdani has consistently been a focal point of national attention — and the discussion regarding whether his unabashedly progressive agenda can act as a model for Democrats in other regions will undoubtedly escalate now that New Yorkers have selected him to govern the largest city in America. Will the Democrats get back in touch with the party’s working-class roots by championing policies that strengthens democracy and shares the wealth?

I sincerely hope Trump makes good on his MAGA promise.

In your opinion, how do his proposed policies differ from the policies in force today in San Francisco?
 

Mrkelly » 07 Nov 2025, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 1:12 pm

*Beekeeper » 06 Nov 2025, 6:05 am » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2025, 6:05 am

I've heard that **** for decades and so little of it holds much truth.

Norway is not a socialist nation; it is a social democracy with a mixed-market capitalist economy. It features a robust welfare state and high levels of public ownership in strategic sectors, but the core economy is market-based and largely private. 

AND to add to that, people aren't flocking to Norway and even if they did, their BORDERS ARE SECURED and not letting any and everyone in.

And Mamdani is a democratic socialist 

Beekeeper » 08 Nov 2025, 7:13 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 7:13 am

Before you start spewing your usual ****, perhaps you need to EDUCATE YOURSELF on what the DSA stands for and PROMOTES!!

And it's NOT "Social Democracy", but pure MARXIST SOCIALISM!!

YOU want to put lipstick on that PIG and call it beautiful. I call it what it is- A FAILURE IN THE MAKING AS ALL SOCIALISM IS!!

DSA_WDM2025Program_v2.pdf

From your link:

Today, working people have few good options. In most political races, Americans will have the choice between far-right Republicans and corporate Democrats. In both cases, workers lose, and our politicians will remain controlled by their corporate donors, not the ordinary people who voted for them. Under this status quo, inequality will continue to worsen, corporations will continue to sell war and wreak havoc on the environment, and the worst impacts of these crises will be felt by the poor, people of color, and working people generally. But we as working people should have power over our lives, and that includes a government and economy by and for the working class.

Neither major party is capable of advancing a positive program that meets the needs of the majority of Americans. That’s why the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is presenting a bold alternative course of action. In our 2025-2026 program, “Workers Deserve More,” we hope to bring together millions of people throughout the U.S. to fight for a true democracy where working people have control over their own lives, their government, and the economy. We deserve more, and we have to fight like hell to make that vision a reality.

Do us all a favor and shred that. ^ Tell us what is wrong with it. Which part do you disagree with, and why?
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Nov 2025, 10:20 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2025, 10:20 pm

From your link:

Today, working people have few good options. In most political races, Americans will have the choice between far-right Republicans and corporate Democrats. In both cases, workers lose, and our politicians will remain controlled by their corporate donors, not the ordinary people who voted for them. Under this status quo, inequality will continue to worsen, corporations will continue to sell war and wreak havoc on the environment, and the worst impacts of these crises will be felt by the poor, people of color, and working people generally. But we as working people should have power over our lives, and that includes a government and economy by and for the working class.

Neither major party is capable of advancing a positive program that meets the needs of the majority of Americans. That’s why the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is presenting a bold alternative course of action. In our 2025-2026 program, “Workers Deserve More,” we hope to bring together millions of people throughout the U.S. to fight for a true democracy where working people have control over their own lives, their government, and the economy. We deserve more, and we have to fight like hell to make that vision a reality.

Do us all a favor and shred that. ^ Tell us what is wrong with it. Which part do you disagree with, and why?

“Workers Deserve More”

That'd be alright if "workers" meant only PEOPLE WHO WORK.
 

DeezerShoove » 09 Nov 2025, 10:54 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2025, 10:54 pm

“Workers Deserve More”

That'd be alright if "workers" meant only PEOPLE WHO WORK.

         
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Nov 2025, 9:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2025, 9:26 pm

In your opinion, how do his proposed policies differ from the policies in force today in San Francisco?
 

In mathematics two negatives multiplied become a positive gain. In evolving two negatives become rule of law by consensus.

Cannonpointer » 09 Nov 2025, 10:20 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Nov 2025, 10:20 pm

From your link:

Today, working people have few good options. In most political races, Americans will have the choice between far-right Republicans and corporate Democrats. In both cases, workers lose, and our politicians will remain controlled by their corporate donors, not the ordinary people who voted for them. Under this status quo, inequality will continue to worsen, corporations will continue to sell war and wreak havoc on the environment, and the worst impacts of these crises will be felt by the poor, people of color, and working people generally. But we as working people should have power over our lives, and that includes a government and economy by and for the working class.

Neither major party is capable of advancing a positive program that meets the needs of the majority of Americans. That’s why the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) is presenting a bold alternative course of action. In our 2025-2026 program, “Workers Deserve More,” we hope to bring together millions of people throughout the U.S. to fight for a true democracy where working people have control over their own lives, their government, and the economy. We deserve more, and we have to fight like hell to make that vision a reality.

Do us all a favor and shred that. ^ Tell us what is wrong with it. Which part do you disagree with, and why?

More of that DSA LIPSTICK on that PIG!!

You seem to love that part, huh.

Psssssssst, our FOUNDERS did not like, love or create a DEMOCRACY, ASSHOLE!! They created a Constitutional Representative Republican Confederation. Because 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner doesn't work out so well for that SHEEP=AKA YOU, that "worker"!! And that is what the DSA is talking about, MORON!!

Please, educated yourself before you spew a bunch of bloviating ****!!