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Pound sand Chuck!



Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., announced the plan in dramatic fashion on the Senate floor Friday afternoon with a backdrop of the Senate Democratic caucus in a bid to show a tangible version of the newfound unity among Democrats since their Election Night sweep earlier this week. Schumer argued that after 14 failed votes on the House-passed continuing resolution (CR), "It's clear we need to try something different." He offered to attach a one-year extension to the expiring Obamacare subsidies, and to create a bipartisan committee that could negotiate further on how to deal with the subsidies after the government reopened, a clear nod to the GOP's position that negotiations wouldn't happen until the government reopened

  Talk about a cave in. Went from asking for $1.4 trillion to $35 billion for one year subsidy extension.

**** off Chuck!

Why not go with this and open the government back up ?

Does the right really need to cut off medical coverage without warning?

I know that killing obomba care is their wet dream… does it have to be now?

is the only way to get it done is by holding the countrys well being hostage?

are they not capable of killing the program by its lack of merit?

Are they afraid that their own constituents that are on assistance would put pressure on them to keep it after a year?

Not good optics
 

Just go with what they voted for before WTF over

do it with an immigrant exclusion....

no money for immigrants.....

if they can't take care of themselves send them home....illegal or not

nefarious101 » 07 Nov 2025, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:45 pm

do it with an immigrant exclusion....

no money for immigrants.....

if they can't take care of themselves send them home....illegal or not

sanctuary states will not follow through 

BuckNaked » 07 Nov 2025, 4:50 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:50 pm

sanctuary states will not follow through

well then slap them around until they do

more pain more gain

Mrkelly » 07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm

Why not go with this and open the government back up ?

Does the right really need to cut off medical coverage without warning?

I know that killing obomba care is their wet dream… does it have to be now?

is the only way to get it done is by holding the countrys well being hostage?

are they not capable of killing the program by its lack of merit?

Are they afraid that their own constituents that are on assistance would put pressure on them to keep it after a year?

Not good optics

Why don't Blue States have their own health care....
was it because they found out they couldn't afford it and needed someone else to pay for it?

Democrats suck.

Mrkelly » 07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm

Why not go with this and open the government back up ?

Does the right really need to cut off medical coverage without warning?

I know that killing obomba care is their wet dream… does it have to be now?

is the only way to get it done is by holding the countrys well being hostage?

are they not capable of killing the program by its lack of merit?

Are they afraid that their own constituents that are on assistance would put pressure on them to keep it after a year?

Not good optics

Did passing Bammycare have to happen just then when it did?
Of course, because otherwise it would never have happened.
So **** with a political football is quite appropriate. That's how it was created after all.

Your recently retiring Old Crow didn't even wait to "see what's in it".
That window was going to close soon... Pass it while we can.

**** the other half of the country.

Double-standards must be so common you guys don't even see them anymore.
 
 

Fuelman » 07 Nov 2025, 3:34 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 3:34 pm

  Talk about a cave in. Went from asking for $1.4 trillion to $35 billion for one year subsidy extension.

**** off Chuck!

Right...all he's doing is trying to get them to midterms in hopes they'll have control of congress...feckless prick...
 

Mrkelly » 07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm

Why not go with this and open the government back up ?

Does the right really need to cut off medical coverage without warning?

I know that killing obomba care is their wet dream… does it have to be now?

is the only way to get it done is by holding the countrys well being hostage?

are they not capable of killing the program by its lack of merit?

Are they afraid that their own constituents that are on assistance would put pressure on them to keep it after a year?

Not good optics

Remember, the democrats are holding the country hostage...all he's trying to do is get to midterms in hopes of them having power...
 

DeezerShoove » 07 Nov 2025, 9:34 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 9:34 pm

Did passing Bammycare have to happen just then when it did?
Of course, because otherwise it would never have happened.
So **** with a political football is quite appropriate. That's how it was created after all.

Your recently retiring Old Crow didn't even wait to "see what's in it".
That window was going to close soon... Pass it while we can.

**** the other half of the country.

Double-standards must be so common you guys don't even see them anymore.

they only see it when the other side does it...

ROG62 » 08 Nov 2025, 6:34 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 6:34 am

Remember, the democrats are holding the country hostage...all he's trying to do is get to midterms in hopes of them having power...

they are protecting millions of Americans healthcare 

including some on the right

this aren’t pre google days

people can read

even tRump admits that the shutdown cost republicans last election 
 

Mrkelly » 07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2025, 4:02 pm

Why not go with this and open the government back up ?

Does the right really need to cut off medical coverage without warning?

I know that killing obomba care is their wet dream… does it have to be now?

is the only way to get it done is by holding the countrys well being hostage?

are they not capable of killing the program by its lack of merit?

Are they afraid that their own constituents that are on assistance would put pressure on them to keep it after a year?

Not good optics

The offer from Schumer was immediately rejected and rightly so. For once the Republicans are standing firm which is a bit of a surprise.

If you didn't know, it was the Biden administration that put the expiration date on the extra subsidies, not Republicans. I would bet the majority of people that went on the ACA exchange over the last several years had no idea they were getting an enhanced subsidy. Waiting until a funding bill to sound the alarm by Democrats is pretty lame. Throw in a 30% increase in healthcare costs since 2020 and apparently the only answer to prop up Obamacare is to throw more money at it. The insurance companies couldn't agree more!

The younger crowd probably doesn't remember the Obamacare Mandate. Wonder how they would feel about that in this environment. Democrats have pushed the envelope twice now with Mandates which make  the party dangerous in my opinion. What next?

While Obamacare appears to be falling on its face years later, there was a silver lining for the more affluent crowd. The explosion of HSA's provided a tax haven for households that could squirrel away extra cash. Our HSA balance is over $90k, thanks Obama!

The cost of entitlements go up with inflation, there no way around that math.



 

Mrkelly » 08 Nov 2025, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 9:58 am

they are protecting millions of Americans healthcare 

 

Healthcare is not insurance, Google it if you don't know the difference!

Fuelman » 08 Nov 2025, 10:02 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:02 am

The offer from Schumer was immediately rejected and rightly so. For once the Republicans are standing firm which is a bit of a surprise.

If you didn't know, it was the Biden administration that put the expiration date on the extra subsidies, not Republicans. I would bet the majority of people that went on the ACA exchange over the last several years had no idea they were getting an enhanced subsidy. Waiting until a funding bill to sound the alarm by Democrats is pretty lame. Throw in a 30% increase in healthcare costs since 2020 and apparently the only answer to prop up Obamacare is to throw more money at it. The insurance companies couldn't agree more!

The younger crowd probably doesn't remember the Obamacare Mandate. Wonder how they would feel about that in this environment. Democrats have pushed the envelope twice now with Mandates which make  the party dangerous in my opinion. What next?

While Obamacare appears to be falling on its face years later, there was a silver lining for the more affluent crowd. The explosion of HSA's provided a tax haven for households that could squirrel away extra cash. Our HSA balance is over $90k, thanks Obama!

The cost of entitlements go up with inflation, there no way around that math.

obomba was a boondoggle for heath insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies 

and they are among the biggest donors to both parties 

but it keeps premiums low for the millions of needy Americans 

we give hundreds of billions to other countries that have universal healthcare 

trillions to the military industrial complex 

trillions for tax cuts

everyone knows people that depend on those subsidies, and food stamps 

this is a hill that republicans will die for to placate the oligarchs ?

good luck with that in 26

the one percent has a majority of the money 

but not the votes

 
 

Fuelman » 08 Nov 2025, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:16 am

Healthcare is not insurance, Google it if you don't know the difference!

  Healthcare doesn’t include insurance?
 

Mrkelly » 08 Nov 2025, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:18 am

  Healthcare doesn’t include insurance?

It's hilarious you don't know the difference! I recently went for 3 years without "health insurance" and got all the healthcare I needed. It was actually cheaper than paying for insurance in our case. The local community hospital gave a 40% cash discount, let's you know how much you are getting screwed over by insurance companies.

I take it you didn't Google it. 
 

Mrkelly » 08 Nov 2025, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

08 Nov 2025, 10:17 am

obomba was a boondoggle for heath insurance companies, and pharmaceutical companies 

and they are among the biggest donors to both parties 

but it keeps premiums low for the millions of needy Americans 

we give hundreds of billions to other countries that have universal healthcare 

trillions to the military industrial complex 

trillions for tax cuts

everyone knows people that depend on those subsidies, and food stamps 

this is a hill that republicans will die for to placate the oligarchs ?

good luck with that in 26

the one percent has a majority of the money 

but not the votes

I wouldn't argue over most of those points, does seem ridiculous. 
 I just believe the timing to address the issue is 100% political, hurting people to help people doesn't sit well with a lot of people.
 

Obamacare is so screwed up even taxing the rich didn't work.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), or "Obamacare," imposes two primary surcharges on high-income earners: the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) and the Additional Medicare Tax. These taxes collectively generate billions of dollars in revenue annually for the U.S. government, which goes into the general fund and helps offset the costs of the law's provisions.

Specific annual revenue figures vary by year and are subject to economic conditions and income levels. However, as an example of the scale, reports indicate the NIIT alone has more than doubled the number of taxpayers owing it from about 3 million to about 7 million over a certain period. The revenue generated from these two taxes combined has been a significant funding source for the ACA since their implementation in 2013.

Details of the Surcharges

Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT): This is a 3.8% tax on the lesser of an individual's net investment income or the amount by which their modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) exceeds specific thresholds. The thresholds are:
$250,000 for married couples filing jointly.
$200,000 for single filers.
$125,000 for married individuals filing separately.

Additional Medicare Tax:
This is a 0.9% tax on wages, compensation, and self-employment income that exceeds the same income thresholds as the NIIT. Unlike the standard Medicare tax, there is no employer match for this additional tax.

Both taxes are designed to target individuals and couples with high incomes and are a key component of the ACA's financing mechanism.