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Fuelman » 10 Nov 2025, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 11:46 am

Ya need a healthier mind set if you feel like a pawn, IMO.
Slipping my white lab coat on.  

Develop a gratitude practice. This will interrupt your negative thought loops and place your feelings of self-pity in a larger and more accurate perspective.

This Is How to Stop Being a Victim: 18 Practices - GREGG VANOUREK https://share.google/Eq6WwaAJRgFLYQuoi

I don't feel like a victim. I see nothing wrong with challenging and questioning our leaders. That's one of the perks of living in a free society. We can question our leaders. Why is me questioning them synonymous with victimhood?

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 10:36 am » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 10:36 am

It's not about being enough. I don't care about that. I care only that the concentration of power will always be in the hands of the few, regardless of the system.

Your post reads like that is what you want to save, not correct how it came to be standard operating procedures in every alternate reality every generation gap alive daily here regardless ancestral lineage.

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 11:23 am

I never said capitalism doesn't bring innovation and wealth. I am claiming that it brings wealth only to a few. How do you or any other American benefit from space X ort Tesla? Both were, and still are, subsidized by taxpayers. Yet, taxpayers get zero ROI. This is one example of how the government and corporations working together for their own interests.

everything everywhere is subsidized by the American taxpayers

there is no hiding from it or denying it

big interests and big government has been running the show since well before the pharaohs

now ordinary people are given the chance to participate....if they don't that's on them

I use and subscribe to AI as a tool to find where money goes as soon as it goes....typically most people arrive just as the money is headed somewhere else

at least we have more than last weeks news to make decisions like it used to be....

nefarious101 » 10 Nov 2025, 2:07 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 2:07 pm

everything everywhere is subsidized by the American taxpayers

there is no hiding from it or denying it

big interests and big government has been running the show since well before the pharaohs

now ordinary people are given the chance to participate....if they don't that's on them

I use and subscribe to AI as a tool to find where money goes as soon as it goes....typically most people arrive just as the money is headed somewhere else

at least we have more than last weeks news to make decisions like it used to be....

Yes, but we also get a ROI. Most of infrastructure is built by private companies paid for by taxpayers. However, we get an ROI. We get highways, bridges, machinery for our military and law enforcement, libraries, schools...etc...What is one thing that the taxpayers get back from Tesla and SpaceX? Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and many others have received government subsidies. yet, none of them give the tax payer an ROI. 

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm

Yes, but we also get a ROI. Most of infrastructure is built by private companies paid for by taxpayers. However, we get an ROI. We get highways, bridges, machinery for our military and law enforcement, libraries, schools...etc...What is one thing that the taxpayers get back from Tesla and SpaceX? Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and many others have received government subsidies. yet, none of them give the tax payer an ROI.

Same thing we get from subsidizing museums and the arts.

Cultural ****. Societal identity.

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm

Yes, but we also get a ROI. Most of infrastructure is built by private companies paid for by taxpayers. However, we get an ROI. We get highways, bridges, machinery for our military and law enforcement, libraries, schools...etc...What is one thing that the taxpayers get back from Tesla and SpaceX? Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and many others have received government subsidies. yet, none of them give the tax payer an ROI.

Their subsidies come in the form of tax breaks, no one sends them an EBT card.
 

DeezerShoove » 10 Nov 2025, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 3:11 pm

Same thing we get from subsidizing museums and the arts.

Cultural ****. Societal identity.

They don't even give us that.
 

RebelGator » 10 Nov 2025, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 3:36 pm

There subsidies come in the form of tax breaks, no one sends them an EBT card.

They shouldn't get subsidies at all. They can make their own profits and capital. Why the hell do we need to do it for them?

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 3:36 pm

They don't even give us that.

Actually the Space Race was inspiring and all that crap.
People got used to it though.

NEA and museums are great for more show and tell.
I was in the Louvre a few years ago. Likewise, the National Mall.

Inspiration is where you find it. Poetry for some, architecture for others. Heroic deeds or sacrifice.
Life isn't like a chatroom. Chatrooms are like a chatroom: anonymous bickering.
I can't say I've been inspired here all that often.  

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm

Yes, but we also get a ROI. Most of infrastructure is built by private companies paid for by taxpayers. However, we get an ROI. We get highways, bridges, machinery for our military and law enforcement, libraries, schools...etc...What is one thing that the taxpayers get back from Tesla and SpaceX? Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and many others have received government subsidies. yet, none of them give the tax payer an ROI. 

you really have a one track line of sight in that brain of yours. Corporations supply those co-operating with social consensus jobs those working for a living as typecast souls can pay taxes for highways and social means to transport things between ancestries and their multiple generation gaps living in series parallel time inhabiting space now.

converting raw materials to finished retail products everyone needs to survive adapting uniquely alive 24/7.

DeezerShoove » 10 Nov 2025, 3:55 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 3:55 pm

Actually the Space Race was inspiring and all that crap.
People got used to it though.

NEA and museums are great for more show and tell.
I was in the Louvre a few years ago. Likewise, the National Mall.

Inspiration is where you find it. Poetry for some, architecture for others. Heroic deeds or sacrifice.
Life isn't like a chatroom. Chatrooms are like a chatroom: anonymous bickering.
I can't say I've been inspired here all that often.

I am always inspired by my pristine and flawless trolling toward BV.   

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 2:49 pm

Yes, but we also get a ROI. Most of infrastructure is built by private companies paid for by taxpayers. However, we get an ROI. We get highways, bridges, machinery for our military and law enforcement, libraries, schools...etc...What is one thing that the taxpayers get back from Tesla and SpaceX? Microsoft, Amazon, Apple, and many others have received government subsidies. yet, none of them give the tax payer an ROI.

are you talking ROI or ROS...subsidies?

investment is just that....investment.....

I do not invest for any reason other than a return.

I don't not subsidize looking for a return

when the government subsidized wool for uniforms during WWl it was solely to keep a business viable....for a reason...wool coats, hats and socks for millions of war fighters

Today the government still subsidizes wool... because once you subsidize something it's no longer commercially viable and no longer an investment that makes since....in a real economy world

Take the subsidy away and it can become viable...but usually requires investment at that point, product resurgence or it will submit and die to competition

the big question is...why are we still subsidizing wool....WWI was over a long time ago

our economy is not real.....that's why real is so important....subsidies create a distortion and those just ain't real

in other news....cash is quickly losing it's value...check the price of gold and silver....check out a on year chart on them

we might all require subsidy or investment in time...at least those who aren't ready will
 

nefarious101 » 10 Nov 2025, 5:00 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 5:00 pm

are you talking ROI or ROS...subsidies?

investment is just that....investment.....

I do not invest for any reason other than a return.

I don't not subsidize looking for a return

when the government subsidized wool for uniforms during WWl it was solely to keep a business viable....for a reason...wool coats, hats and socks for millions of war fighters

Today the government still subsidizes wool... because once you subsidize something it's no longer commercially viable and no longer an investment that makes since....in a real economy world

Take the subsidy away and it can become viable...but usually requires investment at that point, product resurgence or it will submit and die to competition

the big question is...why are we still subsidizing wool....WWI was over a long time ago

our economy is not real.....that's why real is so important....subsidies create a distortion and those just ain't real

in other news....cash is quickly losing it's value...check the price of gold and silver....check out a on year chart on them

we might all require subsidy or investment in time...at least those who aren't ready will

I am not surprised that cash is losing its value. The government keeps printing dollars. Thus, devaluing them. Gold and silver are definitely safe. 

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 4:53 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 4:53 pm

I am always inspired by my pristine and flawless trolling toward BV. 

Well, I did say inspiration is where you find it.

My cat will play with a rodent for a while...
My dog just crushes it with one bite and takes a nap.

Two ways to play with vermin.  
 

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 12:06 pm

I don't feel like a victim. I see nothing wrong with challenging and questioning our leaders. That's one of the perks of living in a free society. We can question our leaders. Why is me questioning them synonymous with victimhood?

But you won't challenge the fellowship you are prepared to die for trying to prove life isn't self evident time simply adapting in space equally alive now.

Vegas » 10 Nov 2025, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 12:06 pm

I don't feel like a victim. I see nothing wrong with challenging and questioning our leaders. That's one of the perks of living in a free society. We can question our leaders. Why is me questioning them synonymous with victimhood?

Sorry, "inherently screwed" sounds like victimhood to me.

I could be wrong, that wouldn't be the first time.  
 

Mrkelly » 10 Nov 2025, 10:50 am » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 10:50 am

not really 

I want socialistic programs to be a bigger presence than roads, firemen, worthless education and cops (over simplifying socialist programs now in place)

Sounds like you're in favor of eliminating government run public schools in favor of privatizing education, is that true?
If so, I can hardly believe you and I are on the same side of ANY government program!
Worlds are surely about to collide!
 

Zeets2 » 11 Nov 2025, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2025, 12:30 pm

Sounds like you're in favor of eliminating government run public schools in favor of privatizing education, is that true?
If so, I can hardly believe you and I are on the same side of ANY government program!
Worlds are surely about to collide!

  Stupid post

but at least it was short   
 

Mrkelly » 11 Nov 2025, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2025, 5:27 pm

  Stupid post

but at least it was short 

Oh, did I misread your last statement about the socialism you don't like?:

I want socialistic programs to be a bigger presence than roads, firemen, worthless education and cops (over simplifying socialist programs now in place)

Let me hear you admit that you prefer to continue to get these results from our public schools rather than privatize public education:

Damning nationwide test shows US kids’ reading levels plummeted to lowest level in 32-year history — and Republicans are blaming ‘woke’ education
NY Post By Alex Oliveira Jan. 29, 2025

Read it and weep — if you can. 

American schools got a big fat F on their report card this week — with reading proficiency for eighth graders hitting the lowest level in the 32 years that the federal government has been tracking it. 

Results from the 2024 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) test – administered to fourth and eighth graders — showed at least a third of America’s students failed to demonstrate “basic” reading skills expected for their age group.

With 51.5 million students enrolled in public school across America, that represents potentially tens of millions of kids failing to make the grade.

Just 67% of eighth-graders were able to meet or exceed basic skills on the 2024 test, 2% fewer than in 1992 when NAEP testing began.

Fourth-graders’ reading proficiency was also lower than in 1992, with just 60% meeting basic skills in 2024.

So I guess we really DON'T have a single thing we agree on, since you're apparently fine with such incompetence in public education, do we Kelly?  Or should we just chalk up one more massive failure of the liberal idiots that voters like YOU put in power?  You'd rather see the Democrats you support funding DEI in Africa, give free healthcare including free abortions to illegals, continue funding left-wing news agencies, all on top of THIS kind of pure, wasteful pork:

・Over $4 million for LGBTQ projects in the Balkans and Uganda

・$3.6 million for cooking and dance workshops for male sex workers in Haiti

・$500,000 to purchase electric buses in Rwanda

・$6 million to subsidize Palestinian media outlets

・More than $833,000 for transgender training initiatives in Nepal

・$300,000 to sponsor a pride parade in Lesotho

・Nearly $900,000 for mentorship and social media programs in Serbia

・$3 million for circumcision and sterilization programs in Zambia

So come on, Kelly.  Tell us that THIS is the kind of spending YOU want with YOUR tax dollars!
I DARE YOU!

 
 

Zeets2 » 12 Nov 2025, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

12 Nov 2025, 11:03 am

Oh, did I misread your last statement about the socialism you don't like?:

Let me hear you admit that you prefer to continue to get these results from our public schools rather than privatize public education:

So I guess we really DON'T have a single thing we agree on, since you're apparently fine with such incompetence in public education, do we Kelly?  Or should we just chalk up one more massive failure of the liberal idiots that voters like YOU put in power?  You'd rather see the Democrats you support funding DEI in Africa, give free healthcare including free abortions to illegals, continue funding left-wing news agencies, all on top of THIS kind of pure, wasteful pork:

So come on, Kelly.  Tell us that THIS is the kind of spending YOU want with YOUR tax dollars!
I DARE YOU!

  stay silly