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How can this happen? For the first 3 quarters of 2025, the U.S. Treasury Department collected $195 billion from tariffs. Trump is proposing 2K a person refund. Depending on income cut-off, the payments could cost as much as $513 billion.   

I voted for a candidate that said he was going to lower the deficit. Trump said he was going to use that money to pay down the debt   

“People that are against Tariffs are FOOLS! We are now the Richest, Most Respected Country In the World, With Almost No Inflation, and A Record Stock Market Price. 401k’s are Highest EVER. We are taking in Trillions of Dollars and will soon begin paying down our ENORMOUS DEBT, $37 Trillion. Record Investment in the USA, plants and factories going up all over the place. A dividend of at least $2000 a person (not including high income people!) will be paid to everyone,”
Through the first three quarters of this year, the U.S. Treasury Department collected $195 billion from tariffs on foreign goods, the department said.

Exactly where the income cut-off would be for “high income” Americans is another open question. Many experts say the $195 billion collected in tariff revenue suggests the total annual number could fall significantly short of the funding needed to issue $2,000 checks.
 “If the cutoff is $100,000, 150 (million) adults would qualify, for a cost near $300 billion. If kids qualify, that grows,” wrote Erica York, vice-president of federal tax policy at the Tax Foundation.
John Arnold, co-chair of Washington, DC-based Arnold Ventures, estimated the payments could cost as much as $513 billion.
 

Looks like he'll be a bit short....

Roshambo » 10 Nov 2025, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 5:10 pm

How can this happen? For the first 3 quarters of 2025, the U.S. Treasury Department collected $195 billion from tariffs. Trump is proposing 2K a person refund. Depending on income cut-off, the payments could cost as much as $513 billion.   

I voted for a candidate that said he was going to lower the deficit. Trump said he was going to use that money to pay down the debt   

“People that are against Tariffs are FOOLS! We are now the Richest, Most Respected Country In the World, With Almost No Inflation, and A Record Stock Market Price. 401k’s are Highest EVER. We are taking in Trillions of Dollars and will soon begin paying down our ENORMOUS DEBT, $37 Trillion. Record Investment in the USA, plants and factories going up all over the place. A dividend of at least $2000 a person (not including high income people!) will be paid to everyone,”
Through the first three quarters of this year, the U.S. Treasury Department collected $195 billion from tariffs on foreign goods, the department said.

Exactly where the income cut-off would be for “high income” Americans is another open question. Many experts say the $195 billion collected in tariff revenue suggests the total annual number could fall significantly short of the funding needed to issue $2,000 checks.
 “If the cutoff is $100,000, 150 (million) adults would qualify, for a cost near $300 billion. If kids qualify, that grows,” wrote Erica York, vice-president of federal tax policy at the Tax Foundation.
John Arnold, co-chair of Washington, DC-based Arnold Ventures, estimated the payments could cost as much as $513 billion.

Could you do that in adjectives instead?

a pair of Dickheads in a tizzy thread

deja vu

nefarious101 » 10 Nov 2025, 8:22 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 8:22 pm

a pair of Dickheads in a tizzy thread

deja vu

It involves numbers...look away, Nafellatio...

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2025, 6:29 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2025, 6:29 am

It involves numbers...look away, Nafellatio...

Hey "man in a dress" dickhead

what have you accomplished with your decade of TDS Orange Man Bad fake news posting

seems your position had gone even deeper into the ****

what's up with that Dickhead?

nefarious101 » 11 Nov 2025, 8:13 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2025, 8:13 am

Hey "man in a dress" dickhead

what have you accomplished with your decade of TDS Orange Man Bad fake news posting

seems your position had gone even deeper into the ****

what's up with that Dickhead?

Here's one "man-in-a-tiara" and another "man-in-a-Tunic"...Will that do?


 

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2025, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2025, 8:18 am

Here's one "man-in-a-tiara" and another "man-in-a-Tunic"...Will that do?

Cha-Ching>>>>>YAWN

Score another trigger on the "Man in a dress" dickhead

Once I found out this dickhead was self-triggering it sure took the fun out of it

Blackvegetable » 11 Nov 2025, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

11 Nov 2025, 8:18 am

Here's one "man-in-a-tiara" and another "man-in-a-Tunic"...Will that do?

Do you ever get tired of logging on here and getting your *** kicked or are you just addicted to it?

Blackvegetable » 10 Nov 2025, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 6:32 pm

Could you do that in adjectives instead?

Predictable
 

Roshambo » 10 Nov 2025, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Nov 2025, 5:10 pm

How can this happen? For the first 3 quarters of 2025, the U.S. Treasury Department collected $195 billion from tariffs. Trump is proposing 2K a person refund. Depending on income cut-off, the payments could cost as much as $513 billion.   

I voted for a candidate that said he was going to lower the deficit. Trump said he was going to use that money to pay down the debt   

“People that are against Tariffs are FOOLS! We are now the Richest, Most Respected Country In the World, With Almost No Inflation, and A Record Stock Market Price. 401k’s are Highest EVER. We are taking in Trillions of Dollars and will soon begin paying down our ENORMOUS DEBT, $37 Trillion. Record Investment in the USA, plants and factories going up all over the place. A dividend of at least $2000 a person (not including high income people!) will be paid to everyone,”
Through the first three quarters of this year, the U.S. Treasury Department collected $195 billion from tariffs on foreign goods, the department said.

Exactly where the income cut-off would be for “high income” Americans is another open question. Many experts say the $195 billion collected in tariff revenue suggests the total annual number could fall significantly short of the funding needed to issue $2,000 checks.
 “If the cutoff is $100,000, 150 (million) adults would qualify, for a cost near $300 billion. If kids qualify, that grows,” wrote Erica York, vice-president of federal tax policy at the Tax Foundation.
John Arnold, co-chair of Washington, DC-based Arnold Ventures, estimated the payments could cost as much as $513 billion.

Lets do the math...

1)  There are currently something like 160 million "filing" taxpayers in America (ref. below for 2024) !
2)  The tax refund is only for middle & low income taxpayers... but lets use 160 million !
3)  $2,000 refund x 160 million taxpayers = $320Billion (B) MAX (could be less)
4)  Tariff income per month: approx. $30B
5)  Expected tariff income for a full year: $30B x 12 months =  $340B
6)  What is the expected duration of $2,000 refund?  1 year ( I don't think anything more has been committed to)

SO...

Expected Tariffs collected $340B - $320B = $10B tariff income in year 1 (to debt reduction)... and $340B/year to debt reduction after...

OR... $1Trillion/3years, $3.3Trillion/decade

THAT's what it looks like to me...

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/fede ... data-2024/

ConservativeWave » 14 Nov 2025, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

14 Nov 2025, 11:42 am

Lets do the math...

1)  There are currently something like 160 million "filing" taxpayers in America (ref. below for 2024) !
2)  The tax refund is only for middle & low income taxpayers... but lets use 160 million !
3)  $2,000 refund x 160 million taxpayers = $320Billion (B) MAX (could be less)
4)  Tariff income per month: approx. $30B
5)  Expected tariff income for a full year: $30B x 12 months =  $340B
6)  What is the expected duration of $2,000 refund?  1 year ( I don't think anything more has been committed to)

SO...

Expected Tariffs collected $340B - $320B = $10B tariff income in year 1 (to debt reduction)... and $340B/year to debt reduction after...

OR... $1Trillion/3years, $3.3Trillion/decade

THAT's what it looks like to me...

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/fede ... data-2024/

The money from the tariffs is supposed to be paying down the debt     
 
The federal government raised $195 billion in customs duties in Fiscal Year (FY) 2025 so far

You do the rest of the math 

 

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/tariff-reven ... ncertainty

 
 

Like the 5 K before it…. The 2K will be another TACO by tRump

Mrkelly » 14 Nov 2025, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Nov 2025, 2:13 pm

Like the 5 K before it…. The 2K will be another TACO by tRump

Where is that DOGE dividend?       

I knew it was all smoke and mirrors "Bless his heart" he certainly tries.   

I once thought that creating financial plans without having the necessary funds was something that only "lefties" would do.
 

I hope the USCC strikes this tariff nonsense down. I don't want the US deficit to climb. This is just as bad as the Covid-19 money.

Roshambo » 15 Nov 2025, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

15 Nov 2025, 8:21 am

I hope the USCC strikes this tariff nonsense down. I don't want the US deficit to climb. This is just as bad as the Covid-19 money.

How are you going to undo the destruction wrought by The Great Burnt Orange Dope?

Blackvegetable » 15 Nov 2025, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

15 Nov 2025, 9:17 am

How are you going to undo the destruction wrought by The Great Burnt Orange Dope?

This issue is not related to "me" or, as you stated, "you". I am unsure of what measures can be implemented other than removing the tariffs or being more discerning regarding the countries to which the tariffs are imposed?

Third Party?