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At times, it appears that the most significant misfortune inflicted upon the Native Americans was not merely the appropriation of their ancestral lands, a practice that has been commonplace throughout much of human history, but rather the implementation of the reservation system. This system has perpetuated cycles of poverty for generations among individuals who might otherwise have been compelled to integrate into American society. I propose that every federally recognized tribe should have the option to either distribute the reservations and their resources among all eligible members, allowing each individual to determine their own path forward, or to establish each reservation as a corporation with its members as shareholders. In this scenario, all taxpayer funding and restrictions on the utilization of their land would be eliminated. While we cannot change the historical treatment of these individuals, we may be able to provide them with the opportunity to achieve success, or not, comparable to that of any other American.

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm

At times, it appears that the most significant misfortune inflicted upon the Native Americans was not merely the appropriation of their ancestral lands, a practice that has been commonplace throughout much of human history, but rather the implementation of the reservation system. This system has perpetuated cycles of poverty for generations among individuals who might otherwise have been compelled to integrate into American society. I propose that every federally recognized tribe should have the option to either distribute the reservations and their resources among all eligible members, allowing each individual to determine their own path forward, or to establish each reservation as a corporation with its members as shareholders. In this scenario, all taxpayer funding and restrictions on the utilization of their land would be eliminated. While we cannot change the historical treatment of these individuals, we may be able to provide them with the opportunity to achieve success, or not, comparable to that of any other American.

This is a tough one. Since slavery, blacks have still not been able to assimilate into American society productively. Granted they have had to deal with systematic oppression up to the civil rights act. However, that act was implemented in the early 60s. That was approximately 60 years ago. They still have not assimilated. I don't know if Native Americans will be different. I don't believe America can ever be a melting pot. Diversity, to the extent that America welcomes, causes more weaknesses than strengths. It requires cultures to be tolerant of behaviors that directly cross the rights of others. 

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm

At times, it appears that the most significant misfortune inflicted upon the Native Americans was not merely the appropriation of their ancestral lands, a practice that has been commonplace throughout much of human history, but rather the implementation of the reservation system. This system has perpetuated cycles of poverty for generations among individuals who might otherwise have been compelled to integrate into American society. I propose that every federally recognized tribe should have the option to either distribute the reservations and their resources among all eligible members, allowing each individual to determine their own path forward, or to establish each reservation as a corporation with its members as shareholders. In this scenario, all taxpayer funding and restrictions on the utilization of their land would be eliminated. While we cannot change the historical treatment of these individuals, we may be able to provide them with the opportunity to achieve success, or not, comparable to that of any other American.

Who resolves the tension between Assimilation and Preservation?


 

2025 and we still have Indian reservations? It just seems wrong. What do they do that is good? Shouldn't everybody be treated the same by now.

Blackvegetable » 18 Dec 2025, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:30 pm

Who resolves the tension between Assimilation and Preservation?

I do not know the answer to your questions, do you have a suggestion?

 

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm

At times, it appears that the most significant misfortune inflicted upon the Native Americans was not merely the appropriation of their ancestral lands, a practice that has been commonplace throughout much of human history, but rather the implementation of the reservation system. This system has perpetuated cycles of poverty for generations among individuals who might otherwise have been compelled to integrate into American society. I propose that every federally recognized tribe should have the option to either distribute the reservations and their resources among all eligible members, allowing each individual to determine their own path forward, or to establish each reservation as a corporation with its members as shareholders. In this scenario, all taxpayer funding and restrictions on the utilization of their land would be eliminated. While we cannot change the historical treatment of these individuals, we may be able to provide them with the opportunity to achieve success, or not, comparable to that of any other American.

I don't think these Indians want you **** with the deal they have.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida distributes gaming revenue directly to its members through a system that can make children multi-millionaires by the time they are adults. The exact amount of each individual's share is private tribal information and not publicly disclosed, but news reports indicate the payments are substantial, leading to high individual wealth. 
 
 

PhiloBeddo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:34 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:34 pm

2025 and we still have Indian reservations? It just seems wrong. What do they do that is good? Shouldn't everybody be treated the same by now.

Phil,
Being from Arizona, you should know there are 22 independent American Indian nations residing in various areas across Arizona. Numerous tribes have welcomed tourists into their communities, providing services such as cultural tours and local guides. However, these territories and traditions are considered sacred, and it is important to be aware of certain guidelines and recommendations before visiting tribal lands in Arizona.
 

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:39 pm

I do not know the answer to your questions, do you have a suggestion?

I don't....and I'm not sure there is a "programmatic" solution.

Is it imposed from above by a benevolent hierarchy, using incentives and disincentives?

Is it done at the Pan-Indian level, or the tribal level?

Should it be left to each individual?

The relentless march of civilization doesn't easily accommodate indigeny...
 

RebelGator » 18 Dec 2025, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:39 pm

I don't these Indians want you **** with the deal they have.

The Seminole Tribe of Florida distributes gaming revenue directly to its members through a system that can make children multi-millionaires by the time they are adults. The exact amount of each individual's share is private tribal information and not publicly disclosed, but news reports indicate the payments are substantial, leading to high individual wealth.

Sounds good on paper.
Unfortunately, across the United States, 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. These numbers from the American Community Survey highlight the stark income inequality the nation’s first peoples face. 

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:49 pm

Sounds good on paper.
Unfortunately, across the United States, 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. These numbers from the American Community Survey highlight the stark income inequality the nation’s first peoples face.

They weren't the nation's first people.

WTF. They have been here 40,000 **** years and I don't know anything they have contributed. Sure, there was Tonto, Pocahontas, Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse, Geronimo, Red Cloud, and Chief Joseph. Those were Native Americans who didn't need a handout from the gov. But now, I'm tired of supporting these Fake **** today.

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:42 pm

Phil,
Being from Arizona, you should know there are 22 independent American Indian nations residing in various areas across Arizona. Numerous tribes have welcomed tourists into their communities, providing services such as cultural tours and local guides. However, these territories and traditions are considered sacred, and it is important to be aware of certain guidelines and recommendations before visiting tribal lands in Arizona.

I know all about reservations. We have a lot in Arizona. That's not the point. The Indians are free now, but when it started and they were put on reservations seems stupid now. 
 

Here's an idea. How about white liberals, especially females... stop talking for Native Americans? How about that?

Bring the Redskins back for starters.

RebelGator » 18 Dec 2025, 1:52 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:52 pm

They weren't the nation's first people.

Exactly. Just like blacks weren't the first **** slaves. Matter of fact, there ain't a mother **** slave today. Slavery ended 160 years ago, and democrats and *** are still pushing it. Ain't enough that their sorry asses couldn't come off welfare at 18 and get a real **** job and become a real **** man. Always wanting a handout. I am a black American. I am not an African American. I have never been to Africa. I despise "ghetto thugs". 
 

NateHiggas » 18 Dec 2025, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 3:43 pm

Exactly. Just like blacks weren't the first **** slaves. Matter of fact, there ain't a mother **** slave today. Slavery ended 160 years ago, and democrats and *** are still pushing it. Ain't enough that their sorry asses couldn't come off welfare at 18 and get a real **** job and become a real **** man. Always wanting a handout. I am a black American. I am not an African American. I have never been to Africa. I despise "ghetto thugs".

And just like we'z all ain't slaves to the RothChild's 1700's Global Financial World Bank Today.. 100's of years later.

Bug them eyes out more man.  You are lucky you were allowed to read.
 
 
 

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:19 pm

At times, it appears that the most significant misfortune inflicted upon the Native Americans was not merely the appropriation of their ancestral lands, a practice that has been commonplace throughout much of human history, but rather the implementation of the reservation system. This system has perpetuated cycles of poverty for generations among individuals who might otherwise have been compelled to integrate into American society. I propose that every federally recognized tribe should have the option to either distribute the reservations and their resources among all eligible members, allowing each individual to determine their own path forward, or to establish each reservation as a corporation with its members as shareholders. In this scenario, all taxpayer funding and restrictions on the utilization of their land would be eliminated. While we cannot change the historical treatment of these individuals, we may be able to provide them with the opportunity to achieve success, or not, comparable to that of any other American.

I would think they're written in stone as they're self governing sovereign nations...

the wife worked in the courts...any time there was an in custody or tribal children were involved, they immediately swooped in and took them to the rez...no questions asked...
 

"Special people" should be folded into the mass of relentless civilization.
Purposely and continually singling out groups (for good or bad) hasn't helped "civilization".

Leaning toward homogenization, like it or not, is the way of the world anyway.
Fighting that has been a built-in human trait and the resulting friction is brutal.

That said, I don't think it will ever end. Humans want to be with their own kind.
We'll always be subject to watching out for toes to step on...

These days many thin-skin people are wearing size 65 clown shoes.  
 

It appears some of them assimilate just fine.

5 Richest Native American Tribes in the US. https://www.powwows.com/5-richest-nativ ... in-the-us/

I think it's great we have a special place for the Indians to sell bad *** [real] fire works, cheap cigarettes and nice places to gamble and watch old Rock Stars perform.

*Roshambo » 18 Dec 2025, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Dec 2025, 1:49 pm

Sounds good on paper.
Unfortunately, across the United States, 1 in 3 Native Americans are living in poverty, with a median income of $23,000 a year. These numbers from the American Community Survey highlight the stark income inequality the nation’s first peoples face.

American Indians  are to a large degree inbred and low IQ.
There are no magic fairy world dreams that will make them able to compete intellectually.
The current "UBI" system they have works for them.