So what's your point, that because some conservatives do the wrong thing, we should further undermine marriage by allowing homosexual marriage?How does making gay marriage legal undermine marriage? I thought you Rethuglicans were all about the family? Why shouldn't gay people who want to raise a family be able to get married?I don't think another liberal experiment should be conducted, particularly one that involves children, especially after decades of liberal policy and values disasters.No, let's strengthen marriage by repealing one-party divorce, by strengthening its contract, by acknowledging that liberals were wrong for decades in pushing divorce and claiming it would help women and children.Why am I not surprised that you would believe in repealing one-party divorce? The only way you can hold on to a woman is to chain her up in your basement.By all means, let's get rid of one-party divorce and force people to stay with a spouse who is abusing them or their children.Please show me how Liberals pushed for divorce? If by that you mean that they believe it should be easier for people to get out of marriages that are not healthy, like in cases of physical abuse, then you're even more nuts than I thought.Of course if there is legitimate reason like abuse, divorce is appropriate. I'm referring to no-fault, one-party divorce that liberals pushed through many legislatures, leaving women and children the victims of selfish men, who had nothing stopping them for filing for divorce on the basis of nothing at all.That is government interfering in and overturning what should be a binding contract.Aren't you old enough to read how the liberal-left trashed marriage for many years? "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle?"The fake "studies" that claimed to find that women and children were better off without a father? The feminist proclamations that marriage is a trap akin to slavery? That women were far better off single, even if they had kids?This is just part of the stunning disaster that most liberal values and policies have been, so no, I do not want to risk marriage in pursuit of another that will supposedly satisfy a small minority of a tiny percentage of the country.That's just plain stupid. Edited by RichClem, 02 August 2011 - 12:31 PM.