28 Feb 2012 12:19 pm
Well gosh, so cherry picking one single quote from Obama makes Santorum a liar? We will put a college education within reach of anyone who wants to go -- Barack Hussain Obama 'Anyone who wants to go' is not the same as 'I want everyone to go to college' is it Puss?And BTW, the President's middle name is spelled 'Hussein' not 'Hussain'.Sounds like Santorum's claim was acceptably accurate.'Acceptably' accurate? ROFLThat's another one of your weasel words like how fetuses are 'arguable' babies or how you disagree with your right wing sources 'moderately' frequently. It may have been 'acceptably' accurate to you, but to the rest of us, it was a lie.Well gosh, I'm just a right wing flying monkey, but I think we're governed by the Constitution, not by a letter Jefferson wrote to a religious group.And Jefferson wasn't even in the country when the Constitution was written.What about James Madison Puss? You know the man they call the 'Father' of the Constitution.I see you ignored his quotes on the subject of separation of church and state that I posted a few posts back.Why did you do that?The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819). Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820). Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822). I must admit moreover that it may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points. The tendency to a usurpation on one side or the other or to a corrupting coalition or alliance between them will be best guarded against by entire abstinence of the government from interference in any way whatever, beyond the necessity of preserving public order and protecting each sect against trespasses on its legal rights by others. (Letter Rev. Jasper Adams, Spring 1832). To the Baptist Churches on Neal's Greek on Black Creek, North Carolina I have received, fellow-citizens, your address, approving my objection to the Bill containing a grant of public land to the Baptist Church at Salem Meeting House, Mississippi Territory. Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself (Letter to Baptist Churches in North Carolina, June 3, 1811).Madison-On Church and StateDid you catch this sentence Puss?James Madison: "Having always regarded the practical distinction between Religion and Civil Government as essential to the purity of both, and as guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, I could not have otherwise discharged my duty on the occasion which presented itself."Do you need someone to explain that to you?For you to say that the Founders never meant for there to be a wall of separation between church and state is pure, unadulterated hogsnot.Clem: Well gosh, I'm just a right wing flying monkey....Nice of you to finally admit it. Edited by MistyBlue, 28 February 2012 - 01:21 PM.