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TwoIfByTea » 15 Sep 2025, 10:46 am » wrote: ↑

15 Sep 2025, 10:46 am

Trump has never promised no NATO membership to Ukraine "period" nor NATO advancement "East" the Former treaty and promise dating back Bush Sr admimistration during the "Soviet Union Collapse" but kept building bases admmiting Eastern European "Former" Soviet counties into since the Last 3/4 decades since..

All Moscow really wanted is Guarentees that Ukraine never join Nato because thats litterally Moscows back door too..

Then Biden and Antony Blinken and European Union kept stoking the flames which led to this INVASION and now 3 years ongoing war.

Dont forget we "repeatedly" violated the same treaty made with Russia countless times since the collapse of Soviet Union about NATO

You're wrong about that! 
Trump not only has made it perfectly clear that he would not approve of NATO membership for Ukraine, but also made it clear that he would not support Russia giving back the Crimean peninsula as part of the deal.

Here's where Trump tells Ukraine tells them what you deny:

'No going into Nato by Ukraine,' says Trump as Zelensky prepares for White House talks
Kathryn Armstrong BBC News 18 August 2025

 Donald Trump has said the Ukrainian president can end Russia's war "if he wants to", but there will be "no going into Nato by Ukraine" as part of a peace deal. Hours before he was due to host Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House, Trump also said there would be "no getting back" the Crimean peninsula, which Moscow illegally annexed in 2014, eight years before launching its full-scale invasion.

Here's another Trump statement which you're apparently unaware of:

'He was never going to be a member of NATO': Trump on Ukraine President Zelenskyy
The Economic Times  Updated: 30 March, 2025
"We made a deal on rare earth, and now he's saying, well, you know, I want to renegotiate the deal. He wants to be a member of NATO. Well, he was never going to be a member of NATO. He understands that," Trump elaborated.

And Trump said it again in February:

Trump says no security promises or NATO for Ukraine
Raw Story by Agence France-Presse February 26, 2025

I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much," Trump said.

"We're going to have Europe do that," Trump said. "Europe is their next-door neighbor, but we're going to make sure everything goes well."
Asked what concessions would need to be made to end the war, he ruled out Ukrainian membership in NATO, again repeating Russia's stance that the issue was behind its invasion.

"NATO -- you can forget about," Trump said. "I think that's probably the reason the whole thing started."

Former president Joe Biden backed Ukraine's eventual membership in NATO without offering a concrete timeframe.

What you need to understand is the fact that Biden was the idiot who told the world that Ukraine could decide for themselves if they wanted to join NATO, which was a complete lie, since ONLY the existing NATO members have the power to invite additional countries into joining NATO.  Putin heard that and followed through on his promise to prevent that with the invasion, and I can't blame him one bit!

But put the blame for this war squarely on Biden's shoulders, because THAT is where the full blame lies!  Even Biden's Easter Bunny would have been smart enough not to say something that stupid!