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Fuelman » 21 Jan 2026, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ I think you missed the part "including external costs", unaccounted costs of climate change, pollution-related health issues, and environmental damage. How that is measured and calculated is probably a little hocus pocus as most of those articles are from climate activist green weenies. 
That is why I "missed" it. Because it's MOSTLY ****.

But more to the point, I missed nothing. I simply asked for your numbers, on which you are now hedging a tad.

I would just remind you that I didn't toss this claim out there. I merely axed forclarification.
Fuelman » 21 Jan 2026, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ It's been suggested that the direct subsidies should be scrapped for big oil, that didn't go over too well.
Let's quantify THOSE.
Fuelman » 21 Jan 2026, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ The Illusion of SavingsFossil fuels often appear deceptively affordable for consumers, but low retail prices are an illusion created by underpricing that does not account for the full scope of their impact. And while we might not see the true cost reflected at the pump or on our energy bill, we pay the price in countless other ways. The International Monetary Fund (IMF) estimates that global fossil fuel subsidies—which include direct subsidies as well as the unaccounted costs of climate change, pollution-related health issues, and environmental damage—reached a staggering $7 trillion in 2022, with the U.S. accounting for nearly 35% of the global total.
Tp heckwith those guys. I wanna know what the smart fellas from Davo are saying. Give me the REAL facts.
Fuelman » 21 Jan 2026, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ Fossil Fuel Subsidies: The $760 Billion Lie About 'Free Market' Energy | FracTracker Alliance https://share.google/TMaIg812z99Xo55ve
So... you don't wanna talk about the "externals" because they're **** (here's a link, though), and you have not addressed the direct subsidies at all. And that is also understandable. I strongly suspect that even though we will likely agree on the concept of subsidies, we will have some friction on the concept of "direct."

I called BS.I renew my call. :)
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