Speaking of clueless, you have no right to freedom of speech on a privately owned forum, and as far as debate goes.... You don't have a clue what that is. Try again moonbat. You made a silly mistake. You can post in this thread. You stupidly claimed you "can't." Anytime you disagree with someone, you call them a liar and a moonbat. I have had many, many exchanges with people with whom I disagree, sometimes dramatically, but if they are honest and do their best to be thoughtful, I treat them respectfully. Siegfried recently, for example. If you don't want to be called a liar or a moonbat, stop lying and being stupid. I may not be as smart as you, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't qualify as debate. Typical right wing flying monkey. One can hardly call what you do on this forum 'actual debate and exchange of ideas'. True, I am completely unable to debate with someone who refuses to, just like a boxer cannot fight someone who refuses to enter the ring. Duuuh.